dr. spitzree on? well, all of them agree that number one, there is nothing in the bones that tells us anything. they all agree. there is no traumatic injury to the bones, there is no breaks, no fractures. there is nothing. just looking at the won'ts -- bones, they all agree that there is nothing to tell us how caylee anthony died. everyone agrees to that. the other thing they all agree about that is significant in this case is that because of the way the human body decomposes, there are two parts of the head that should not be together. that is the mandible and the skull. dr. spitz said, remember he talked about when you picked up the skull, the mandible would stay on the ground. they're not connected. once they decompose, there is nothing to keep them together. and what they all also agree about in this case is that when caylee anthony's body was found, the skull and the mandible were still in what they referred to as anatomical position. in other words, it was in the same position it would ha

dr. werner spitz. and dr. spitz did a full autopsy. they can say all they want. and if dr. spitz had not found anything that would have been a different story. but he did. he found actual physical evidence, physical proof that caylee's remains were not found and were not -- did not tee decompose in the manner in or mr. kronkte or plagiarism tried to tell you they were. the photos were not indicative of how caylee decomposed and what position she was in. this is the physical proof. the is a man tick semantics ofr brain matter, the man that has 6000

warren to dispute the testimony of dr. spitz that say that medical examiners did a shoddy autopsy in neglecting to open caylee's skull. do you agree? >> i think the autopsy was an incomplete autopsy, a normal autopsy, you look at the jorans in the abdomen, the chest, the head. here, there was no abdomen, there was no chest, the only thing to look into was the skull, and that wasn't looked into. that's part of a complete autopsy. and for an anthropologist to be called to dispute what the forensic pathologist said is just improper, because the anthropologist's job is different than dr. spitz's job, which is to determine anything involving the cause of death. julie: so if you're saying they can't obviously perform an autopsy on organs and the only remains of her was the skull, why is it that they would overlook that, and is that something that the defense will use in their favor? >> i think the defense is using it in its favor. julie: but is it going to work? >> it goes to guilt or innocence of casey as -- i'm not commenting upon,

in fact, one of their witnesses, dr. spitz suggested, what i would submit to you, based on the evidence, the nonsensical proposition that someone came along, took the skull, took it home and put tape on it. ladies and gentlemen, you can't have it both ways. either george anthony is the person that put the tape on, which we know is not true, or roy kronk is the one that put the tape on. you can't do both. it's one or the other. either somebody put the tape on that child before the child decomposed, or they didn't. the arguments made by the defense in this case i would submit require you to suspend your common sense, to leave in pinellas county everything you know about how people think and act and why they do what they do. it's a trip down a rabbit hole into a bizarre world where men who love their granddaughters find them drown and do nothing, where men who love their granddaughters take an accident, a completely innocent act, and make it look like a murder for no reason. a world where a man who buries his pets will take the g

there was also a challenge to dr. spitz' opinion.was brought in by the defense, that the autopsy made on caylee's body was shoddy. so that's what happened yesterday. >> indeed it is. thank you so much. >>> the other big legal story, former imf chief is enjoying new freedom. now, khan still faces sex assault charges, but he's not on house arrest anymore after prosecutors revealed his accuser had not told the entire truth. good morning, ron. first of all, any sightings? do we know where he is right now? >> no, we don't. there are several dozen reporters, forecasters out here. there have been people here all night and the conventional wisdom seems to be he's still in there, however, that seems unlikely if you're given freedom after being holed up for many weeks. there were some reports of him out to dinner last night on the upper east side. some thought he might have been up to the hamptons, but we don't know. the bottom line as you said is that he still does face very serious charges of sexual assault. problem of course is that we're l

now we know that these experts say, no, she did not have to crack open caylee's skull, as dr. spitz said, and that the examination was perfectly well done. >> with regard to tomorrow, as we look ahead, the closing arguments, what can we expect there? >> yesterday we had a window into perhaps where the defense might be walking into. we know that defense attorney cheney mason says -- and he holds is true -- that in this case there is as much evidence to prove that kalely's death was an accident as to prove that she was murdered by her mother, so perhaps they will walk along those lines, and the burden of proof lies on the prosecution, not the defense. we will hear strong arguments from both sides. again, it's the prosecution who has to explain what happened. >> okay. lila luciano, we'll talk you about wu again. thank you. >> you won't want to mission a moment of a closing argument. we will bring you live continuous coverage of the proceedings and provide expert analysis right here on msnbc subpoenaed sunday for you. sfwlirchlgts the holiday weekend is no vacations at all. this morning

dr. spitz told you somebody came along later and took the skull and taped it. in opening statement defense counsel told you that person was roy kronk. they both got this rare kind of du tape. roy kronk who has no connection to the anthony family other than reading their meter once. he had never been in their garage and has no idea what kind of duct tape they have. so which is it? who put the duct tape there? counsel has argued to you that the crime scene was staged. could i have state's exhibit 82 published for the jury, please. this is a photograph of the scene out there on suburban drive as it was found on december 11 of 2008 before anything was disturbed. this is in fits pristine form. -- this is in its pristine form. the only thing that is staged in this scene is mother nature herself. this scene is covered in leaf litter. there is a 2 to 3-inch pile of leaf litter. there are vines literally growing over everything in this scene. there are vines you will see in photographs growing through everything in this scene. this scene cities staged by mother nature a

dr. spitz was a forensic pathologist and now, they want to call an anthro poll gist. the judge has to make that determination first. secondly, spitz' finding was due to the brain matter or dust that he spitz found, that proved that the body was moved, so these prosecution experts are going to say whatever findings spitz saw in the brain matter, it was ill relevant and meant nothing, so you cannot deduce -- that's a big point. >> and what about this? the internet searches for the chloroform. we know cindy had testified for the defense she did those searches, but the prosecution is saying not so fast. is this all about timing and whether or not they can say she was really in the house at this time? >> two issues here. one, the police experts are going to testify in reviewing the records and searches done on cindy's computer. she never searched chlorophyll. now, they come in with that testimony, that's going to completely blow up cindy's credibility and i think they're going to do that today. and secondly, there are going to be experts to come in from her employment to s

the body, kept it in another location and then returned it and in fact, one of their witnesses, dr. spitz suggested what i would submit to you is based upon the evidence, the nonsensical proposition, someone came along, took the skull, took it home and put tape on it. well, ladies and gentlemen, you can't have it both ways. either george anthony is the person that put the tape on which we know is not true or roy cronk is the one that put the tape on. you can't do both! it's one or the other. either somebody put the tape on that child before the child decomposed or they didn't. the arguments made by the defense in this case i would submit require you to suspend your common sense. to leave in penelis county everything you know about how people think and act and why they do what they do. it is a trip down the rabbit hole into a bizarre world where men who love their granddaughters find them drowned and do nothing. where men who love their granddaughters take an accident, a completely innocent act and make it look like a murder for no reason. a world where a man who buries his pets will take

dr. warner spitz. that is world class forensic patholo pathology. that's where they can -- points of reasonable douse, that's all they have in the defense. that's it. >> except in his testimony, he simply said, this was a terrible -- one of the things he said is this was a terrible autopsy. and still no cause of death for this little 2-year-old girl. >> yeah, fred, that's the big thing. baez will get up there and say, you know what, ladies and gentlemen? the state's own medical examiner said that caylee was not killed, could not stay, that caylee was killed by duct tape. that caylee was killed by chloroform, there was no trauma to her bones. so there's no neck-breaking. that's a red herring. don't get confused by that. this is a premeditated, first-degree murder case. and all we know is that caylee was not an anchor to casey. casey was a loving and tender mother because that's the only testimony during the course of this case. the state has failed to prove motive. they don't have to. but in a first-degree murder case, they have to. and they threw it

dr. warner spitz testifies that the duct tape couldn't have played a role on caylee's death because it was it had already decomposed. >> if duct tape were attached to the body on the face, there would have been dna on the face. >> no explanation as to why someone would locate a skeleton in the woods, get duct tape out, and then leave. that's a really curious question. >> the defense doesn't answer that question, but instead tries to raise suspicion about the utility worker who found caylee's remains, roy kraung. >> that was a horrific thing for me to find. >> the defense has long pinned its hope for reasonable doubts on what they believe is his dubious story. >> roy krnon notifies the authorities that he knows where caylee's remains are in august. they are not found. >> i originally called -- >> he then notifies the authorities. he knows where they are in november, an officer shows up, they aren't found. then in december he walks into the woods and he finds the remains again. >> the defense suggests could kronk have moved or tampered with caylee's remains? prosecution quickly brings the fo