the kinsey report, the hite report coming whole bunch of other things that were mainstream, even dr. spock. a lot of these things have been shown. if they were to come out now, they would be completely debunked as junk science. kinsey was a weirdo who filmed his students having sex in his father and was into some very strange things himself. and he massaged his data in a very dishonest way. that yet, he is constantly cited as a mainstream scientists is somebody who changed america's conception of what was normal sexuality and it's gotten very little attention in the years that have gone by but it was not true. >> this question is somewhat timely because of the nomination of judge kavanagh, soon to be just as another hysteria we've heard about, roe v. wade. lincoln said that the nation half slave and half free, but if roe v. wade were overturned, is there a way states would sort this out? some federal level and at the state level. >> yes. i think in all likelihood that i wasn't sure i would ever see, which is that in the legislatures and the people have to make some tough decisions rather t