is that news to you, stephen soldz dr. stephen soldz?arned it a couple of months ago, psychologists and journalists wrote about it and we also heard about it from other sources. he was training the so-called biscuit psychologist, behavior science consultants, those who consult to interrogations at guantÁnamo, at the military facility that trains interrogators. this was evidently, napa contract. the money went to apa. so they were directly working -- the amount of money was not big. the big story here is not the financial corruption, but how close the ties were that he was actually working for them. amy: ultimately, dr. stephen soldz what did the apa had to gain by doing this after you talk about turning a blind eye. and in the involvement of american psychologist in the torture program actually allow it to continue, gave it the legitimacy that the bush administration needed to continue this program with the american medical association the american psychiatric association, both saying they would not participate. >> definitely. in additio