dr. susan houseman from the upjohn institute. now we'd like to welcome carolyn frien from the peter institute for economics and the world bank. we'd like each of to you stick to about seven minutes. thanks. >> thanks. it's my pleasure to be here. let me see if i put a powerpoint here if i can get it on to the screen. is someone doing it from there? okay. it's the -- this one. so, you know, let me start by saying i agree with most of what susan said and i think she gave a really nice presentation. i think i'm going to gibl aboqu about the size of automation and skill-bias technology cal change and demand shifts and things like that versus trade. but i do agree that especially in the 2000s increased imports, you know, especially from china, played a role in the decline in u.s. manufacturing. i do want to take a step back and remember why we like to trade because when you just focus on manufacturing you can ignore that part of it. the main reason is actually there are consumer gains. so consumers gain when you go to the store and pr