dr. tiller and any two other medical professionals say she need it. >> i don't think the politicians have in there. >> does the baby -- >> let me ask you, though, when we have these laws in mississippi, which has enacted all of these restrictions. women's access to birth control but also health screenings are knocked out. >> what about the baby? i mean, at what point does the baby have any consideration. >> what about the woman. right, the woman has a lot of protection. you can't tell me a 9-month-old baby, if pregnant, 9 month in utero baby has no right? >> absolutely not. >> i mean, come on. >> roe versus wade set out parameters for where a woman's right to control her own life to make her own medical decisions. >> and -- >> no, roe versus wade is outweighed. >> you are ignoring planned pare parenthood. limits are okay on abortions, as long as they don't pose an undue burden. >> the reality is, after viability, states can and do outlaw abortions. >> that's right. they have to allow for a woman's health and a woman's life. >> i have to go. >> and i think -- >> health is the controversy,

dr. tiller did not happen at his clinic. inside a church, inside his own church, his own religious sanctuary. the story of abortion rights has never been as simple as church and anti-church the way they want the country to see it. in new orleans planned parenthood is building that new facility down the street from a unitarian universalist church. when they had their groundbreaking this spring it turned out it rained that spring so they couldn't hold the groundbreaking outside. they turned to their ran plan and the rain plan was to moved indoors. they moved it to their local church. they moved it to the unitarian universalist church a few blocks away. they were welcomed there and the pews were packed with supporters. with the unitarian church that was an act of hospitality and this new care facility. for the extremists, what this church did apparently turned out to them turned down an act of provocation and on the second day of their day of campaigning they showed up at the unitarian church service. >> we had begun our time t

dr. tiller.tried to close that clinic that way before he closed a different clinic by killing its doctor the next day. on the news that the clinic where he glued the locks had finally given up, the antiabortion group promote this as a great success in kansas city, think they won there. of course, they're not winning everywhere. we just got back from a production trip to new orleans where we covered the antiabortion siege in that city this summer. we ended up getting an up close and harrowing view of tactics being used by these groups now. we got this footage back from new orleans today and brought it back into the offices and started going through it for our reporting, it sort of blew everybody's minds here on the staff and that exclusive reporting and footage is coming up on tomorrow's show and i think you will not want to miss it, so please plan to check that out. that does it for us tonight. we're going to see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for "the last word." ari melber sitting in f

dr. tiller.se, that decision, they feel as though nothing can stop them now from doing whatever they want. luckily, the new orleans police department who has such precious resources that should be devoted to addressing the real crimes here in this community, has kept law and order here and been very responsive to the facilities. the same is true of jefferson parish. >> duvergne gaines, feminist majority foundation, who's been on the scene this week in new orleans in the middle of all these protests. thanks for helping us understand. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >>> all right. much more ahead including the importance of a 1980s white sports car that turns into a submarine. the cadillac summer collection is here. ♪ ♪ during the cadillac summer's best event, lease this 2014 ats for around $299 a month and make this the summer of style. ♪ then boom... what happened? stress, fun, bad habits kids, now what? let's build a new, smarter bed using the dualair chambers to sense your movement, hear

dr. tiller.ey feel as though nothing can stop them now from doing whatever they want. luckily, the new orleans police department who has such precious resources that should be devoted to addressing the real crimes here in this community, has kept law and order here and been very responsive to the facilities. the same is true of jefferson parish. >> duvergne gaines, feminist majority foundation, who's been on the scene this week in new orleans in the middle of all these protests. thanks for helping us understand. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >>> all right. much more ahead including the importance of a 1980s white sports car that turns into a submarine. you got a little something on the back of your shoe there. a price tag! danger! price tag alert! oh. hey, guys. price tag alert! is this normal? well, progressive is a price tag free zone. we let you tell us what you want to pay, and we help you find options to fit your budget. where are they taking him? i don't know. this seems excessive!

dr. george tiller and dr. david gun and dr. escorts and receptionists and clinics that have been bombed draw that connection to domestic terrorism. violence against civilians with the aim of making them so afraid they change their behavior. this is what the buffers were supposed to protect again against. they were intended to diffuse the interaction between protesters and clinics because intense interactions filled with rhetoric has led to an atmosphere where some will leap to violence to make their point and the radical edge of the anti-abortion movement hails those that commit that violence at morally justified heros. >> people who shoot doctors and bomb clinics and try to bomb clinics and set clinics on fire, they are not run-of-the-mill, crazy killers and vandals of the kinds who commit other sorts of crimes. they're part of a movement that not only does this stuff but celebrates this stuff and supports one another when they do these things. >> that is a world in which buffers are essential. in 1994 a chief justice rehnquis

dr. tiller was -- that was one of the churches i attended when i lived in new orleans, and so it's a chillinghis new law that you all are working on getting passed, the speed with which you have done it, and sort of what you see as how this law responds to the supreme court ruling. >> as i said in 1994 we had a murder. we responded with a bill in 2001 that gave us a bubble. there was some protection. we want to make sure they're not harassed or intimated. the issue that was posed when the 2007 bill that created the buffer zone was have you beening down by the supreme court in june was that there was a first amendment problem. lfs no freedom of speech here. we read the bill, but read the decision very carefully. we really crafted the bill very narrowly so we would balance the safety issues with the access issues that needed to be protected. they could go within a line 25 feet away. they could stay there for eight hours or until the facility closed. we want to make sure that there is no problem. we want to make sure that nobody is injured. we want to make sure that this is always on public prop