dr. torrey mentioned are not consistent with p.t.s.d. >> ifill: dr. torrey? >> i strongly agree with that. i think there's any p.t.s.d. it was a very minor issue. this fellow had a brain disease that caused schizophrenia, almost certainly. the question is why he wasn't being treated. we don't have enough information to know that. if he had been treated, we probably wouldn't be seeing this. >> but we do know schizophrenics often have no insight into their disease. so it's likely that treatment was offer and he said "no thanks i don't need this." >> woodruff: i want to ask you very quickly from the time we have. this is not the first time we've been having this conversation about someone with a mental or emotional illness involved in a mass shooting in this country. what kinds of questions should we be asking as a country after this sort of an episode dr. torrey? >> we're seeing more of those, judy. this is increasing in incidents, this is because we have a total breakdown of the public mental health treatment system. i just happened to have published a book co

dr. torrey many years ago wrote about this, people admitto hospital he and no treatment add all. some add grade disability or inability to care forself, there is a titration between what is in civil society, most people with mental illness and the id yaition he hasideation he had sn hospital. >> he doesn't know he's sick but knows something very wrong. that to me means it's something very different thaj a month before that or two months before that. on those grounds alone i would have hospitalized him and treated him. >> to look at what general dempsey said, we don't want to stigmatize, an involuntary commitment isn't that likely to do that? >> yes, but at the same time, that's the only way to get treatment for the individual. john is very right. it's important not to stigmatize. but most people with schizophrenia are not dangerous. it is the small number like this person who is not being treated that can become dangerous and in this case it did. >> in the few remaining minutes, if you knew how much of society was truly going to be dangerous at what line do you draw it? >> our ab

dr. e. fuller torrey says their deeds have much more to do with sickness and health than good and evil. >> dry person i've taken care of, and i've taken care of several hundred of these people, had a very good reason for doing what looked to be crazy behavior. but in their mind, it wasn't crazy behavior. it was in response to something that was very logical, that their voices were telling them; or that their delusions were telling them. >> kroft: dr. torrey is one of the most famous psychiatrists in the country, an expert on severe mental illness, and a staunch critic of the way the country deals with it. >> kroft: how much of these terrible incidents that we've had, these mass shootings, is traceable to deficiencies in the mental healthcare system? >> torrey: well, they're directly related. about half of these mass killings are being done by people with severe mental illness, mostly schizophrenia. and if they were being treated, they would've been preventable. for example, five weeks before the shooting at the washington navy yard, the gunman, aaron alexis, told police that he was hearing vo

dr. benjamin rush also from pennsylvania was forced to flee to maryland as a heroic surgeon with the army, rush had several narrow escapes. john martin, a torrey in his views previous to the debate, lived in a strongly loyalist area in pennsylvania. when he came out for independence, most of his neighbors and even some of his relatives ostracized him. he was a sensitive and troubled man and many believe this action killed him. when he died in 1777, his last words to his tormenters were -- quote -- "tell them that they will live to see the hour when they shall acknowledge it -- the signing -- to have been the most glorious service that i've ever rendered to my country." william ellory, rhode island delegate, saw his property and home burned to the ground. thomas lynch jr., south carolina delegate, had his health broken from privation and spokes shaours. -- exposures. his doctor ordered him to seek a cure in the west indies and on the voyage he and his bride were drowned at sea. another was carried as prisoner of war to saint augustine, florida, when they were signaled out for indignities. they were exchanged at the end of the war. the british h