dr. ullman said about ideology, i couldn't argue with extremist ideology.o, you know, i give the best logic in the world, it's not going to do any good. you need to have respected islamic that can talk to them from their own point of view. when i spoke with they had people they captured before they commit the terrorists acts, they had them counseled by a clerk, who is respected and he says to them, why are you doing this, well, kill the enemy where you found them, he says, everything has its time and its place. muslims were per sec

dr. ullman mentioned, what do we do if our people are killed or being held hostage. this happened in the lebanon hostage situation where william buckley, the cia station chief and general higgins were killed. we did take some actions. unfortunately, they violated the policy that mark talk about. oliver north megadeal of trying to trade cold mission -- one hostage was released, another one would be taken, what our colleague called a hostage been. been. so that been. so that wasn't the dilemma that we faced, perhaps in a lower area then right now because there wasn't quite the video of beheadings, et cetera, but that was a dilemma we did face. unfortunately, i think we made the wrong choices by making to do which encourage al-qaeda think americans were patsies and could be rolled which get back to part of the dilemma that you laid out? >> guest: . counterterrorism hostage situations is a classic case of a short-term gain versus the long-term. you can solve a short-term problem but you grea create lonm problems down the road. so where's the dividing line? that's not alw

dr. ullman said about ideology, i couldn't argue with extremist ideology.o, you know, i give the best logic in the world, it's not going to do any good. you need to have respected islamic that can talk to them from their own point of view. when i spoke with they had people they captured before they commit the terrorists acts, they had them counseled by a clerk, who is respected and he says to them, why are you doing this, well, kill the enemy where you found them, he says, everything has its time and its place. muslims were per sec -- little by little you send them back as agents for their intelligent service. i think you need to have somebody who is well versed that can sit down and -- and look at propaganda, counter propaganda. >> very important point. when we talk about the islamic state, again, you can defeat of some capabilities, but you cannot eliminate the ideology. some places like morocco they try to encourage dialogue and train even women to discuss this issue with religions from other countries. it's a long process. i think the point that you mad

dr. harlan ullman, also friend and colleague going all the way back to csis and is currently a senior adviser of the atlantic council, and we're fortunate to have his wisdom in articles, basically, every week. now, i would like to acknowledge the contribution of the c-span that is recording our event and bringing the discussion to a a much wider audience in the united states and around the world. and to our cosponsors in addition to the international law institute, the potomac institute for policy studies and the university of virginia law school cooperating with us many of this discussion. let me be very, very, very brief at this point. i will have, ultimately, something to say later, later on. first of all, what we are going to discuss today are basically two challenges that the international society is facing for many, many years. one is or change of mother nature, of course, that we know that sometimes we have no control over. but then what is of security, grave security concern is man made, i think, challenges first on the technological disasters that we see, what's happening now with th

dr. harlan ullman well in all the way back to csi sms currently senior adviser of the atlantic council.e are fortunate to have his wisdom and articles every week. i would like to acknowledge the contribution that his record in our event and bringing the discussion to a much wider audience in the united states and around the world. so our cosponsors in addition to the international law institutes, the potomac institute for policy studies at the university of virginia law school cooperating with us, many of this discussion. let me be very, very brave at this point. i will have something to say later on. first of all, what we are going to discuss today, basically to challenges the society is facing for many, many years. one is the chairman of mother nature. of course we know sometimes it is said security concerns a man made. first on the technological disasters that we see what is happening now with several explosions today so in china, there are many people with some chemical flows and the reason i mention this is because we have to think about the future in terms of the worst is yet to c