dr. upjohn grew up on a farm. ofthat time it was a period transition from a farm economy to an industrial economy. , amployment insurances program for an industrial economy where people are separated from the land and the means of subsistence. he set up a farm outside of kalamazoo where people could set up a garden, maybe build a cottage, grow crops. they had some assets that were put into the endowment. some people did use it as that. some people got grants. then the institute operated as a grantmaking foundation. it was finally created as an institute for research in 1945 to study on and ways of dealing with unemployment. that is about the upjohn institute. host: christopher o'leary, senior economist. you have spent a lot of time studying unemployment. when it comes to today and what is happening now with the pandemic, how many americans are currently receiving some form of unemployment insurance, whether from the state or federal government? guest: last week, the report comes out every thursday morning told us