dr. welner. they're all young.en through an utterly traumatic experience where you could hear them crying out for help. and also they told the heroes who rescued them that their mother was trying to kill them all. what happens now? will this mother automatically be remove from the care of these kids because we believe from the transcript of the phone call from her sister that their father is abusive, too? what happens to them? >> well, the current thinking within psychiatry and psychology is that eventual reunification of a family is in the interests of the family, even in abusive environments. but clearly the mother is in no position to be caring for these children. and in terms of the father, he's a big mystery. because if someone is psychotic, he may well have been quite abusive and that may have been part of whatever irrational thought is. so the father is a big question mark in terms of how he fits into this. but clearly the children cannot be in that environment. at the same time, and this is i think somethin