dr. william barber. v barber, you have made an eloquent statement over the past week about what those statues that are up all over the country, the confederate statues mean. do you now believe that that debate is getting in the way of something more important? >> well i think we ought to be very careful, joy, and let me just apologize to my good friend, your other guest richard painter for calling him, not calling, miscalling his name last week, i meant richard spencer. the bottom line is 80% of the statutes like the one in charlottesville were placed between 1890 and 1922. they were put in place to celebrate the return of white supremacists' policies into the federal government and state government, and into the law and into the constitution, and whpu there to celebrate a president by 1917, 1916, who was a white supremacist, white nationalist sympathizer. what we have to understand is unite the right for us, that rally was never about hate, just personal hate. it was about a form of white power. richard