drake, we just want the data. the secret surveillance regime really has a according complex and cannot get enough of it. here we are faced with a reality that the government in secret, abject violation of the fourth amendment, is routinely analyzing what was supposed to be private information. but it doesn't matter anymore, right? we can get to it. we of secret agreements with telecoms and internet providers and we can do anything we want with the data. , as ihere as an american did shortly after 9/11, and it is deja vu for me. fors targeted not just fraud, waste and abuse, i was targeted as the source for "the new york times" article in september 2005. they thought i was the secret source regarding secret surveillance programs. ultimately, i was charged under the aspen lodge at. that should tell you something. it sends an extraordinary message. it is the deepest, darkest secret of both administration secrete expanded under obama administration, now routine practice. >> shayana kadidal, specifically about fisa cou

drake was convicted when he was 17. tens year later, he has his boyish looks and an adolescent appetite. >> some of the things i miss the most are peanut butter cap'n crunch. i miss gum. it's such a small thing, but you don't really realize how much you miss it until you haven't had it for 11 years. >> if i hadn't known adam's crime, i would never have guessed it was murder. adam drake had a very child-like quality about him, which is a little surprising to see in a prison environment. he came into prison as a teenager and it's almost as if something stopped in him at that age. >> drake's teen years were troubling, and he frequently ran away from home. >> i was bored, i guess. i'm smart. everything that they kind of taught me, i kind of learned. just didn't do homework, didn't like going. >> running away eventually led drake to murder. he shot and killed a man known for giving troubled teens, including himself and some of his friends, a place to stay. drake testified in court that he killed the man in self-defense. >> i

but first, the board has an appointment with adam drake due to a dining hall violation. >> i kind ofefer to sit on the southeast corner of a table facing northwest. >> why? >> i don't know. >> inmates who do not want to sit in an assigned seat may leave the dining hall, but must dispose of their meal. according to the officer's report, drake allegedly violated the rules by eating while he was putting his tray away. but he has come prepared to defend himself. >> i have ar number 300-55 offender movement. >> did you bring one? >> i brought my own copy of it. i had a copy from the library. >> okay. and what about it? >> it states that inmates should be permitted to exit the dining hall without retribution, and sending me to segregation is retributive. >> okay. do you have anything to state to this? >> yeah, i would. to argue that point, the verbal noncompliance and the confrontation with the shift commander is actually what resulted in this man being taken. i think had the incident not been escalated to the point that there was the disobeying of the lawful order and the disobeying of th

that makes drake as worried as ever. he believes president obama has used that power even more aggressively than the man democrats accuse much shredding the constitution, george w. bush. >> i had private conversations people that used to work in the bush administration and their reaction is we he couldn't have gotten away with half of what the obama administration is now doing. the secretive regime has been expanded. >> far less transparent than the bush administration? >> yes. >> that is another reason why they he have become mass critics of the outside data center saying it would have a limitless capacity to pry into americans' digital lives. >> what is the government going to do with it and what could they do with it? what do the roles or oversights mean? >> the current director of the national security agency general keith alexander. when decline declined requestst down with us for an interview we stopped by the office of a washington think tank where he was speaking at an event. >> will it hold the data of american

that makes drake as worried as ever.es president obama has used that power even more aggressively than the man democrats accuse much shredding the constitution, george w. bush. >> i had private conversations people that used to work in the bush administration and their reaction is we he couldn't have gotten away with half of what the obama administration is now doing. the secretive regime has been expanded. >> far less transparent than the bush administration? >> yes. >> that is another reason why they he have become mass critics of the outside data center saying it would have a limitless capacity to pry into americans' digital lives. >> what is the government going to do with it and what could they do with it? what do the roles or oversights mean? >> the current director of the national security agency general keith alexander. when decline declined requestst down with us for an interview we stopped by the office of a washington think tank where he was speaking at an event. >> will it hold the data of americ citizens? >>

thank you, thomas drake. we'll see you tomorrow.ght, mom. >> tonight jeb bush is in hot water for saying immigrants are more fertile. and jeb is the smart bush. plus how to create education better. those are her words not mine. and what happens when one woman decides to go an entire year without looking at herself in the mirror. we'll meet the author of "mirror mirror off the wall," next on "say anything." [♪ theme music ♪] >> h

let me start with you, thomas drake, if i may, you've been exactly where edward snowden has been, worked at the nsa, and you blew whistles why did you do it, and what do you make of the parallels in this case now. >> they're just 12 years ago, very similar. let me be crystal clear, the government cannot handle the truth. i was at the very nation beginning of the secret surveillance state. the government is lying. they actually violated the constitution willfully and deliberately in the greatest of secrecy ostensibly for the sake of national security. in democracy we cannot have any room for secret laws that are controlled and manipulated and interpreted by the executive. the public has the right to know what the government limits are in terms of its own surveillance. they also have the absolute right to know what those safeguards are to protect individual privacy. in a surveillance state, we simply create more suspect individuals. >> the problem as you've heard from many of my eminent contributors tonight, people believe this kind of stuff has to remain secret, it's almost as if it's pro

tom drake was indicted on espionage.anor more of misusing a government computer. >> i would not share anything in any way, shape or form. >> it was lawful and it was appropriate. >> as director of the nsa from 99 to 2005 general michael hayden was in his boss. >> this is america. have a different view. i think it made america safe during a period of great danger. >> he says vinnie and drake were wrong uninformed when they said the program was illegal. congress in 2008 amended the foreign intelligence surveillance act legalizing much of the surveillance going on. that makes drake as worried as ever. people believe obama used the power more than threading the constitution george w. bush. >> i had private conversations of people who used to work in if the bush administration the answer is woe wouldn't couldn't have gotten any of the information they did. >> far less transparent than the bush administration? >> yes. >> that is why they become fierce critics of the center scheduled to be operational in the fall. saying it wou

legislation more than any other president combined i mean it's just amazing you have ellsberg and drake daniel ellsberg one of most famous whistleblowers of all time saying that this is the most important leak in american history but you know what we're just was a trust obama just trust them he's doing the right thing. by writing him our it's and let's talk about it to you what does this mean for potential extradition from hong kong to the u.s. could that possibly happen it could very possibly happen in hong kong has an extradition treaty with the u.s. there is an exception in that treaty for political issues and. this is with snow to being charge into the espionage act that's a political crime it could be construed at least as a political crime by hong kong or by beijing which has a lot of influence here as well so we'll see what happens but really as i said this is the eighth time that a whistleblower has been charged. by the obama administration under the espionage act and they have yet to ever secure a convention couldn't picture him with e.s.p. to their operate here you know doing

build better whistleblowers one of those many you mention is actually joining us right now thomas drake former n.s.a. senior executive and whistleblower of warrantless spying along with just a whistleblower a national security director for the government accountability project thank you so much both of you for taking the time for shit thank you for so have not it's been a whirlwind couple of weeks for you guys and thomas i'll start with you daniel ellsberg of course with the most famous whistleblowers of all time said that this was the most important week in american history do you agree with that sentiment or sort of why because we're seeing the contours of an extraordinary systemic leviathan surveillance system that is now world wide in scope. and how is prism different than true blaser of the program that you expose in two thousand and nine that actually you were charging the espionage act for well prism none of this is surprising me but there's an extraordinary revelation in terms of actually seeing a document that demonstrates that there is a collusion between the u.s. government a

as well thomas drake another one another prominent whistleblower a former n.s.a. employee revealing sensitive information about data gathering techniques as well as another one john kiriakou he's a former cia agent currently serving a prison sentence for leaking details about u.s. torture techniques and nuclear proliferation expert in state department contractor steven kim currently awaiting trial after allegedly telling a journalist about north korea's plans to test a nuclear bomb well moving further along it's now a sham my liebowitz hero former f.b.i. hebrew translator he received a prison sentence for sharing u.s. israeli conversations with a blogger and then formally finally i should say a former cia officer jeffrey sterling faced here over leaking data about u.s. efforts to sabotage iranian nuclear wrists so certainly a good number of people there coming up on the radar before that of mr edward snowden now as governments use all powers of their disposal to pry into the lives of ordinary citizens around the world people are trying to protect themselves by see

whistleblowers had inspired him to release the trove of documents in a response he said quote many drake carry aku and manning are all examples of how overly harsh responses to public interest whistle blowing only escalate the scale scope and scale involved in future disclosures these draconian responses simply build better whistleblowers one of those men he mentioned is actually joining us right now thomas drake former n.s.a. senior executive and whistleblower of warrantless spying along with just a whistleblower and national security director for the government accountability project thank you so much both of you for taking the time to shoot it thank you approach i have not it's been a whirlwind couple of weeks for you guys and thomas i'll start with you daniel ellsberg of course with the most famous whistleblowers of all time said that this was the most important week in american history do you agree with that sentiment just sort of why because we're seeing the contours of an extraordinary systemic all of our surveillance system that is now worldwide in scope. and how is prism differe

they called me and for some advice and called tom drake in for advice, too. did not know it at the time. they did not use any of our suggestions. >> the man they charged with espionage who ultimately those charges were dropped and has been called by many it whistleblower. >> right. he is a true whistleblower. i said, you have to call in the chief executives booz allen hamilton hamilton and his other companies of the american people can meet the secret leaders of the intelligence community. we know who clapper is. when hayden was director, we knew who he was, but we don't know these people running the corporations. michael mcconnell used to be the director of natural intelligence and before that he was the nsa director. in between, he was at booz allen hamilton and now he is back at booz allen hamilton. there's this continuous flow in and out of government and private sector. it is a spending door, not even a revolving door. we have an intelligent ruling class public and private that hold secrets. i think when william binney talks about the east german police

invasive surveillance project that was exposed in the early to thousands so by whistleblower thomas drake staggering amounts of money are being made off the fear mongering since nine eleven you now have an entire industrialized scale mechanism by which a number of contractors are feeding off and it's it's a lot of money the contractor is considered to be one of the major private players in the cyber security industry and employs tens of thousands of people worldwide and here in california dozens of jobs are available involving intelligence and high security clearances we've seen multiple countries basically start beefing up their cyber security both governments and companies the twenty thirteen budget for u.s. intelligence is nearly seventy two billion dollars it's estimated seventy percent of that money is going to private contractors the intelligence community is bamboozling congress and the administration they are telling them that we have to do this in order to find the bad guys in the networks and i just absolutely false the top contractors who analyze data for the pentagon and the n

build better whistleblowers one of those many you mention is actually joining us right now thomas drake former n.s.a. senior executive and whistleblower of warrantless spying along with just a whistleblower and national security director for the government accountability project thank you so much both of you for taking the time to shoot it thank you for which i have not it's been a whirlwind couple of weeks for you guys and thomas i'll start with you daniel ellsberg of course when the most famous whistleblowers of all time said that this was the most important leak in american history do you agree with that sentiment that sort of life because we're seeing the contours of an extraordinary systemic all of our survey. system that is now world wide in scope. and how is prism different than true blaser of the program that you expose in two thousand and nine that actually you were charging the espionage act for well prism none of this is surprising me but there's an extraordinary revelation in terms of actually seeing a document that demonstrates that there is a collusion between the u.s. gov

and thomas drake was really whistleblowing on basically corporate abuse and fraud in the n.s.a. in a kind of contracting process that was one thing that he was calling out of basic good government stuff so why is that classified number two i think that there's a disturbing parallel in some respects between we talked about the ninety nine percent and the one percent with regard to occupy there's a disturbing informational privilege there in terms of who has access to classified information and number three i think we see in a lot of policy areas this real space and using contractors across the board. and quantitative methods which sometimes can have value but it's a very crude and simplistic way of approaching each policy question and you see that in this area you even arguably see it in education in some respects and that opens up a lot of room for a lot of. really questionable decision making and inefficiency as well as broad access to our private lives like you raise and jesselyn the director of the national security intelligence agency james clapper recently sat down with an

that's where drake's business comes in. barber shop that is part rehabilitation, part employment opportunity. those looking for an honest's days work. >> i haven't touched drugs, used drugs, did anything of that nature since i got that opportunity. >> reporter: drakeford has been working with the prince georges county department of corrections. making a living for those who society has written off. >> jerome is a self-driven person. he came hungry so to speak. >> reporter: section locations that offers positions. some might consider a convicted felon a risk, but not drake. >> i'm not sure it's a risk when you do the right thing. >>> a great story. thank you to the all the community, the nbc 4 all state community shred was a huge success. about 1,600 drivers dropped off items for shredding. a big turnout than the last community shred. representatives say they are committed to preventing identity theft in the community 9:26. why north korea say it's ready for talks with the u.s. >>> after a week of terrible wildfires, the com

i mean the program about which tom drake complained trailblazer became a funding. for and to the tune of of billions three to four billion dollars and delivered nothing it's. just one show ahead ginger james thank you for joining us thank you having. coming up republicans in the house are voted a whopping thirty seven times to repeal obamacare the supposed law why are they secretly praising it and asking for federal funding through it after the break journalist lee farmer will tell us all about washington's latest apocalypse. the i'm. eleven. i was a new alert animation scripts scare me a little ill there is breaking news tonight and they are continuing to follow the breaking news the elected or family cry tears of the why and in great things out there that there has to be adequate regard at the core of what sound. is the story. playing out in real life. i think a little worse if you're going through. the white house to give a. radio guy for a minute. what we're about to do because you've never seen anything like this i'm told. is it possible to navigate the econom

bill: that's tom drake. you will meet him in person. luke for him at 9:40 eastern time. martha: it's going to be very interesting. stick around for that. with the government track four phone calls and internet activity, there are new concerns the government snooping will extend intot or areas of our daily lives. under obama-care the irs will play a large roll in administering all of that. it raises questions about your medical care. welcome, stuart. there is a lot of reasonable concerns raised by gathering of all of this information. it's not that everyone nicks you will be watching and listening to phone calls. if you they have a red flag on you. they have a treasure trove of stuff at their hands. >> these exploding scandals are putting obama-care in focus. do you trust your government with the health information you will have to hand over with obama-care in your health records are going online. do you trust the government not to look at them? number two, your health insurance information about be demanded by the irs. it will have to be put on your tax return. do you tr

act and this they employ himself who revealed embryonic versions of what later became prism and tom drake bill binney kirk we and loomis have been on the lecture circuit talking about this for the past three years about the fact that the government could get not only your phone calls but all of your digital communications domestically and you know a few allies have with saddam but really into we actually saw the order and however i think people only then began to appreciate wow this is this could be my computer this could be really widespread and i feel like it actually ignited for the first time in the last decade and awareness and public conversation about the appropriateness of this executive overreach totally infringing people's privacy in illegal and unconstitutional ways and we should have had this conversation over the last ten years that we haven't but i'm hoping that snowden will allow us to do that without focusing on him and without pathology him very well more of tonight's panel discussion on the n.s.a. and the rise of the security state right up to this. time for. well. scien

strategy hasn't worked the more they crack down a whistleblower is i mean they cracked down on tom drake but manning still blew the whistle and i mean manning's been treated a horrible way has been incarcerated for three years including torture during part of that time yet snowden still blew the whistle so who will be the next whistleblower in the last few weeks we've learned of massive snooping programs like prism nucleon in mainway to collect quantities of data on american citizens that are in comprehensible but there's still a lot more to learn about the inner workings of the national security state and snowden himself is promising more revelations in the days and weeks to come the question is what effect will more truthtelling have on the american people's view of these top secret programs i think historically yes we will look back on this period of time and date and i think it's horrible and completely antithetical to a free and open democratic society i have no doubt in a couple decades that will be true with five million people holding security clearances we know it takes a lot of

whistleblower thomas drake. it's tuesday june eighteenth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm meghan lopez and you are watching r t well we begin this tonight with an in-depth look at the latest polls that gauge the american public sentiment about syria in spite of the newest reports estimating that ninety three thousand syrians have died in civil war despite the obama administration's announcement that it has enough evidence to conclude the president all sides regime has used chemical weapons numerous times against rebel forces the majority of the american public does not want the u.s. to provide weapons to opposition forces a new pew poll that surveyed some fifteen hundred adults last week showed that seventy percent of the public opposes arming the rebels and only twenty percent agree now we on that sixty eight percent of people say that the u.s. military is too involved in getting involved. called in syria another sixty percent believe the opposition forces may be no better than the current government so should the u.s. get involved at all well fifty three percent of p

evidence of that is in clients that we've represented at the government accountability project thomas drake bill binney and j. kirk we objected to this very surveillance and went through the proper channels and they ended up in the same boat as edward snowden the. targets a federal criminal investigation and this is in the current era and this was very different during your time daniel ellsberg well demi and drake have both made the point that a they support what snowden has done this was before he had actually left hong kong as far as we know but his being in hong kong they felt showed that he had learned from their own example and his putting out the papers initially to the newspapers showed that he had learned from their bad experience in that they had supposedly gone through channels had actually gone through channels which really revealed them to be troublemakers and brought the full weight of the government down on them before they could reveal anything else the fact that they're say i think he would be in much the same cell as bradley manning if not in the same cell or comical and he

is in the current era and this was very different during your time daniel ellsberg well by me and drake have both made the point that a they support what snowden has done this was before he had actually left hong kong as far as you know but his being in hong kong they felt show that he had learned from their own example and his putting out the papers initially to the newspapers showed that he had learned from their bad experience in that they had supposedly gone through channels had actually gone through channels which really revealed them to be troublemakers and brought the full weight of the government down on them before they could reveal anything else the fact that they're saying i think he would be in much the same cell as bradley manning if not in the same cell or comical and he could be under the national defense authorization act he could be in military detention but even if not he would be in a jail cell somewhere as incommunicado as bradley manning is damned for the last three years so i think he was very wise to make its voters outside of this country and i think that we shou

thomas drake, nsa whistle blower. thanks for being with us this evening. >> thanks for having me, judge. >> judge jeanine: coming up, another obama 180. the president possibly getting us into yet another war by pledging military support to syria. and later, sex, drugs around the state department. besides logging miles what was with angie's list, i save time, money, and i avoid frustration. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. you want to be sure the money you're about to spend is money well spent. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. weapons against its citizens. now, the judge. >>> we now know that chemical weapons have been used for almost a year by the syrian regime. we have done nothing. so i think it is time that we act in a very serious way if a know fly zone is what they decided to do i'm sure our military has taken the right preparations for carrying out a successful operation and i will support that. >> the obama administration suddenly sees the light and acknowl

>> drake was all over the place, he was like the point guard.an and friend of us guys. so he enjoyed it with us. >> jimmy: you cannot be seen in this picture because you're behind the pizza box. someone had pizzas delivered to the show? >> well, you know, after winning the championship last year, we were starving at the club, so we -- it was awesome, too, by the way. >> jimmy: i don't know if you saw this, but your teammate, shane battier tweeted this. this was at denny's, with i don't know who. >> that is his wife, his wife, smiling big. and i don't know the rest of them. >> jimmy: he doesn't look like he had much fun. >> that is hilarious. >> jimmy: are your sons excited about this? >> my sons are very pumped about it. >> jimmy: how old are they? >> my oldest is 11, my youngest is six. they were like dad, can we get rings if you win a championship? i said yeah, y'all can get rings, the $10 rings. >> jimmy: so you haven't gotten them the rings yet? >> no, they get them next year. >> jimmy: your oldest son has on line, i hope you don't mind me s

thomas drake a former executive at the national security agency. he was charged under the espionage act after he blew the whistle on waste and illegal activity. a former ethics adviser to the department of justice, she's also a whistleblower. now the national security and human rights director at the government accountability project. a leading whistleblower organization. thanks both of you for being here. thomas, let me start with you. when the news broke that the agency you used to work for, the nsa, was spying on its own citizens and collecting massive amounts of data, everything from our phone calls and photos that we take on our iphone, everything, how surprised were you? >> not at all. >> you were not surprised. >> no. it's become routine. we now have a systemic institutionalized surveillance system on an industrial scale. >> so this massive collection of data, we're told, don't worry about it, nobody's actually looking at all that stuff. how confident are you that nobody is looking? or let me ask you this, can they look at it if they just wa

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