drake bennett joining us. story and the premise of the story is you, just an average joe citizen, able to launch your own ransomware attack. drake: i would say i am below average because of my tech savviness. isically, part of what driving this explosion in attacks is the fact that it has gotten much easier. you have this d skilling -- de-skilling where anyone is able to do this. joe: you rented ransomware as a service and sent it to your boss. approaching the margins of the ransomware makers that had to hand make their code? drake: they are moving up the value chain. it is sort of, you know -- if you can make money without the risk of having to carry it out yourself, that is what you do. they see it as if you can get enough people to buy your service, you are making money. you are insulated. scarlet: how exactly did you do this? you say you are not that tech savvy at all. how do you go about looking for ransomware to launch? drake: you have to go to the dark web, which is part of the internet that is configure