allison smale as i mentioned has traveled to dresden. you met the instigators of the protest, at least apparent instigator. tell us a bit about him. you said it was a motley crew, many order people. but he's no order person. donell, he's -- i have not a personal investigation into his background but the local newspaper turned up quite a long police record, conviction for burglary. i think still on probation for alleged dealings and dra cane was. that had just come out the day i was in dresden so he saved up to that saying yes, i too have a past. i have atoned for it. it's in the past. but i'm quite willing to step onto the spotlight if you no longer feel you want it. it's not clear how he and other people at the head of the -- of the line of people filing through dresden, how did they get together, how did they sort of associate. but he himself, you know, he was very eager to tell "the new york times" that really quite good english also, that they were not against, going per se, this was not anti-foreigner movement. and that's what i rep

as pegita gathered in dresden, 12,000 people gathered in munich for a tolerant and open germany.here have been much smallerpegita -- much smaller rallies and other cities, but also counter demonstrations. in dresden, about 4500 people took to the streets with a message that asylum-seekers are welcome. there were some heated exchanges and some scuffles broke out. >> it is inhumane. i think they are nazis, just in another form. >> most people in dresden are tolerant and we welcome asylum seekers and refugees. >> the mood was calm her at the church of the holy cross. this service was also help -- held in opposition to the protesters and their christmas carols. it's the >> -- >> lawmakers increased have again failed to elect a new president. >> in the second of three possible boats, he fell -- of three possible votes, demas fell just short. the country may have to hold a snap general election. time for a round up of business news. the u.s. has seen a massive resurgence in growth. the economy grew at a yearly rate of five are sent. -- of 5%. the increase was due to strong consumer spe

class one of our political correspondence in dresden joins us, nina. thanks for joining us. there has been debate in recent weeks about this movement. would i be going too far if i called them far right extremist? >> well, you know, i spoke to some of them here interest in tonight. i must say many of them just seem like disgruntled ordinary citizens. they say they feel that they are being lied to by the established parties, but also by the media. they feel they voice is are not being heard, and many of them, i get the feeling, feel left e-in a system that is increasingly competitive. -- being left -- i get the feeling many of them feel if they are being left behind in a system that is increasingly competitive. the organizers here tonight and there were some 20,000 people. the debate is here to stay. >> 20,000. last monday, we had 15,000. the movement is increasing a little bit. someone coming up behind you with a plaque are there. there is also a counterdemonstration in dresden. the establishment is not quite sure how to react. perhaps you can give us more on how they are re

some are ashamed of their city, where the far right democrats depends on the day dresden was firebombed. providing some fertile ground. >> i think it's a shame for the city, and for germany, that there are movements from this political party or this political side for our nation and our country, and for the citizens, and it's really bad representing my town, and the meaning of germans. >> dresden has people who are toll rant. >> if the people are against the movement, the same can't be said for germany's political class as a whole. some politicians think they should be shunned. others think a dialogue should be had. that includes german chancellor angela merkel, a popular politician, who said the assembly must be respected, >>> one of hong kong's richest me have been sentenced to five years in gaolful billionaire property develop thomas quok was found guilty of bribing a top official. he received more than $1 million in kickbacks. the scandal shocked hong kong's financial center and galvanized anger >>> the australian prime minister tony abbott said security agencies intercepted what he

auntie islamabad patient protests in the german city of dresden have drawn their biggest crowds today, some 10,000 people , sparking concern and condemnation from leading politicians. >> there are limits to the political battle of ideas, but those out on the street claim they are not xenophobic and their arguments should be heard. they were met by some 9000 counterdemonstrators. >> they call themselves patriotic europeans. their goal is to stop what they call the islam of occasion of the rest of the world. every monday, they come out to protest. they insist they are not racist. >> i like to make myself clear they support asylum seekers, but only those willing to integrate into society. >> the german-based group is convinced many asylum-seekers are criminals or violent islamists. evidence for those claims does not exist. plenty of people oppose the movement. a broad coalition of churches, pubs and dresden's university has called on them to set an example for tolerance. a presence prevents confrontation between the two sides. >> i am here because i oppose racism and i think what they do

al jazeera's nick spicer joins us from dresden. any trouble? >> minor scuffles with our camera crew witnessed when two counter-demonstrators tried to speak out during the demonstration and they were punched and man handled and brought out of the crowd. it was a hostile safe to say crowd to the media. the leader of pegeda, you just described its name, lut lutz bachman, said that germany and the german government has been promising to overhaul the immigration policies and has not done so and that's why people are angry and joining this movement. it has to be said this is a bit of a grab bag of movement. the main thread that seems to unify people is the fear of islamfication. , muslims are allowed to live in germany as long as they respect the rules of the country. but there's dismay the number of people entering into the country, coming in from syria, germany being the chosen destination, in the western world. so i think those are the undercurrents that play here. people denying they are part of the far right, the media here in germany saying tha

in germany, thousands of people turned out for another anti-immigrant demonstration in the city of dresden. organized by a white -- by a right wing group, a drew support for many ordinary germans. >> there was a counter demonstration as well, but it was much smaller. german chancellor angela merkel has warned germans not to fall prey to xena phobic rabble rousing. >> each demonstration draws more people onto the streets. a record 15,000 supporters rallied interest in on monday to protest against what they say is the ongoing islamization of germany. we are patriots. we love our fatherland and we want to protect it. >> the protesters say they are disenfranchised in the political system and want a more restrictive policy and tougher line on islam. mainstream parties has condemned the demonstrations. >> we have to listen to their concerns, but we have to make it clear some of the group's leaders are exploiting many people's baseless fears. that is unacceptable and i think it is a disgrace for germany. >> the german interior minister also distanced himself from the protesters calls, but said th

. >>> to germany now where protesters are taking part in an antiislam really in the city of dresden. organized by a group called pegida. nick spicer is live. nick what has sparked the rallies and what do these demonstrators actually hope to achieve? >> well, it's almost anyone's guess as to are what has actually sparked the rallie rallies, the leader is lutz bagman, fired the minds in many in dresden, especially here with the idea that germany is somehow being islamicif -- islamified. that the press is full of liars, so it is an anti-establishment movement to a point, that the policy of the federal government is failing. if you wander out in the crowd and listen, they feel that germany is preparing against russia, the war must be averted. what seems to unite them all is that their voices are not being heard by the political establishment. >> nick what has been the general public's reaction to the rallies? >> well, there have been counter-demonstrations every time pegida takes hold, they say refugees are welcome here, it is important to underline that many germans are shocked by the a

. >> more than 17,000 people turned up in dresden for germany's largest anti-immigrant rally ever. several speakers complain about immigrants. >> a demonstration against extremism. that is what organizers have been claiming. the name of the group, short for patriotic europeans against islam are -- against the west. >> it is about the asylum seekers. they do not make themselves at home here. >> that is not done here. they have to assimilate. >> an important distinction in germany. >> is about our civil rights. we are being labeled as rats, as nazis. that will not do. >> this led to minor clashes with the protesters. >> this is depressing. germany did some a terrible things in the past. this is terrible. >> this was the largest protest in a series of demonstrations that started in october. the rallies have spread across the country. they have received support from several far right groups. concerns that sentiments could be on the rise in germany. >> a look at the business news. oil prices back in the headlines today. >> opec will not cut production even if oil goes as low as $20 a ba

stuart: this is a color facsimile of the dresden codex -- actual size, real colors. it's made on, like the others, on bark paper sized with lime plaster, on which the images were painted with fine hair brushes and pigment in about, oh, five or six different colors. keach: many of these books were discovered by the sixteenth century spanish. they were said to be filled with genealogies, prophesies and religious beliefs. but to the spanish conquerors, they were blasphemous. in 1562, bishop diego de landa ordered them destroyed. "we found a large number of books in these characters, "and as they contained nothing "in which there were not to be seen "superstition and lies of the devil, "we burned them all, "which caused them much affliction." ironically, a book by bishop landa himself proved crucial to the understanding of maya writing. stuart: and in it is everything that he observed in yucatan about the maya, about their ceremonial cycles, their ritual calendars. he even had pictures of the glyphs drawn to put in the manuscript. and without that, we would know very lit

. >> our correspondent is in dresden and has been at the demonstration.ell us about the turnout and what sort of people are taking part. >> right now i am standing interest in, where there is a big festival going on. it is a peace demonstration that was organized to counter the other demonstration, which happens just a few kilometers away from here. i heard the organizers say there were 12,000 people in the crowd. that could well be true. it was indeed very crowded. if that was true it would be the ninth consecutive time that those the missed ration's have seen a rise in attendance figures. >> what do they want? >> their official program says they are in favor of promoting the christian jewish culture in the west and they are against parallel societies. what i saw when i went to the demonstration was a very diverse crowd with mixed posters. some of them had out right at hatred slogans from representatives from other of -- representatives from more of the more established parties. there is a support process calling not to provoke russia. it is a very diver

where the far right demonstrates every year on the way dresden was fireboped. -- firebombed. providing fertile ground. >> it is a shame for the city and germany that there are movements from the political party or site. for our nation and our country, and for the citizens, and it's really bad to represent my town, and the meaning of germans. >> they are people which are tolerant. >> if the people are against them, the same can't be said for germany's political class as a whole. some think they should be shunned, others think a dialogue should be done, and others that it should be condemned outright. that includes the german chancellor. they say that the assembly must be respected, but islamaphobia has no place in germany. >> next, the pope's surprisingly harsh words for the central governing body of the catholic church. >> forced to restrict anger use while millions of gallons are used for fracking. >>> top vatican officials gathered for the pope's annual christmas message. instead of typical holiday cheer, they were repry mapped by their boss -- reprimanded by their boss. >>

anti-immigration protests have been gaining support in germany. 17,000 people attended the latest rally in dresden protesting against the growing number of refugees in what they call the rampant islamization of the country. >> a demonstration against religious extremism. that is what organizers of this rally have been claiming. the name of the group is short for patriotic islamicist. they insist they're only protesting to defend traditional christian values. >> it's about the asylum-seekers. they do not make themselves at home here. we have a different culture, and they have to assimilate. >> an important distinction in germany, where people are keen to avoid any comparison to that ideology. >> we are being labeled as nazis and that will not do. >> thousands opposed to the rally gathered in a counter demonstration. this led to minor clashes with the protesters. >> this is really depressing. germany already did so many terrible things in the past. >> i think this is terrible. >> this was the largest protest in a series of weekly demonstrations that started in october. despite officially denying any

. >> there are may be 10,000 marchers in dresden and much smaller crowds in some other places but there are tens of thousands who want to help refugees. >> for now, it is brutes like -- that are commanding the headlines. >> airspace over london has reopened after a computer failure forces closure for several hours friday causing chaos for passengers in britain and elsewhere. flights in and out of europe's biggest air hub have been affected. london's for bang other airports were hit by the shutdown. the air and cause was a technical problem. the computer glitch at the same center caused similar chaos last year. negotiators are trying to salvage a deal and a u.n. climate conference in lima, peru. there's been gridlocked as nations try to agree on cutting emissions. >> developing countries assisting a bigger polluters like the u.s. and china should shoulder more of the burden but john kerry told delegates that all sides had to take responsibility. amid the diplomatic bickering, critics say the overall commitment is weak and poor nations will be the biggest losers. the leaders want to sign

maybe a 9/11, maybe a dresden." the point is you are ( bleep ) now, buddy. you stepped in it. 9/11 is our magic strength. it's our spinach. it reminds us, we don't give in, we never give up, we don't back down. >> the sony spokesperson said the company will not be releasing the film. ( laughter ) >> jon: okay. not releasing it in theaters, because video on demand is a democratized technology. it will inhabit the entire earth. you made a big mistake, north cohackers. >> no video on demand. it's as if "the interview" never existed. >> jon: ( bleep ). ( laughter ) that's it? so kim jong un gets to decide what movies we make? so this is every movie from now on is just this, "world's biggest picture, the motion picture." that's it. actually, here's what's interesting. in korean, that translates to after-girth. ( laughter ) for god's sake, north korea, that's what they do. they threaten people with hyperbolic language. why do we fall for that? that's their hook. >> north korea has threatened to turn washington into a sea of fire. >> jon: sea of fire! what? and did

many of these figures were made in the hide factory in dresden, germany.he factory was bombed during world war ii and no longer exists. she amassed a collection of 5,000 toy soldiers, of which you only see a small representative ranging from ancient egypt to the 1950s. let's now and go see some of her print works. here we have our first example of the printed works in ann brown's collection. this is by the french artist frank ilem. he was well known for depicting horses, particularly in racing scenes. in this watercolor the artist has captured a drab british convoy of horse-drawn wagons as it moves slowly along a rutted dirt road. this is particularly noteworthy for the depiction of the horses and the covered wagons which is reminiscent of a 19th century battle. but we also have a telegraph that seems to propel us more into 20th century technology. this is one of my favorite pieces in the exhibition as it's representative of many of the themes we want to convey, most notably the juxtaposition between 19th centuryexz strateg and tactics alongside 20th centu

up, panic on the streets of dresden.> bloomberg has been speaking to the world's fastest man. stephanie talked to michael -- the same bolt about his comments usain bolt his comments. >> i'm with those guys i would not say i am the greatest ever. that is my aim. >> why not go out on top and say you have done it and you say you are legend -- why run the risk that you may lose your group -- groove? >> i think i have one more in me. rio is the one. has done two but someone done two already. not four? >> my coach says i could do it but now just three. >> how much do you run? >> i don't of the distance i run but i train six hours a day. >> what you think of all these athletes and their enhancing drugs? >> it's bad it has tainted sport. years -- youthe can work hard and it yourself. michael johnson has done it before and shown he is one of the greatest without a doubt. it is possible. are you concerned about the ioc? i tried to get myself involved in the politics and not worry about angst. -- worry about things. i let my agent

maybe a 9/11, maybe a dresden." the point is you are ( bleep ) now, buddy. you stepped in it. 9/11 is our magic strength. it's our spinach. it reminds us, we don't give in, we never give up, we don't back down. >> the sony spokesperson said the company will not be releasing the film. ( laughter ) >> jon: okay. not releasing it in theaters, because video on demand is a democratized technology. it will inhabit the entire earth. you made a big mistake, north cohackers. >> no video on demand. it's as if "the interview" never existed. >> jon: ( bleep ). ( laughter ) that's it? so kim jong un gets to decide what movies we make? so this is every movie from now on is just this, "world's biggest picture, the motion picture." that's it. actually, here's what's interesting. in korean, that translates to after-girth. ( laughter ) for god's sake, north korea, that's what they do. they threaten people with hyperbolic language. why do we fall for that? that's their hook. >> north korea has threatened to turn washington into a sea of fire. >> jon: sea of fire! what? and did

the protests took place in dresden, where there have been similar demonstrations in recent weeks. >>> says the u.s. has asked it for help in finding humanitarian solutions for inmates at guantanmo bay prison. the u.s. secretary of state john kerry made that request while visit is vatican city and reiterated president obama's commitment to closing the controversial prison camp. >>> in the u.s., police have surrounded a second house searching for a man accused of killing his former wife and five of her family members. the suspect is a 35-year-old iraq war veteran. his killing spree crossed three towns early on monday morning. >>> at least two dozen people have been arrested at a protest against police brutality in the u.s. city of oakland. dozens of protesters were arrested there after chaining themselves to police headquarters. protests have continued across the u.s. after two recent grand jury decisions not to indict white officers who killed unarmedded black men in ferguson, missouri and new york. >>> in indonesia the death toll from the landslide last week has now risen to 56, that

anti-islam protests taking place in the city of dresden. 70,500 peoplend attended.are joined by hans nichols. this is the biggest rally yet. >> it was. when you look at where they were two weeks ago, they were at 10,002 weeks ago. they had 17,500 protesters. the group says they are not necessarily anti-islam. some of the critics are concerned that there may be some neo-nazi elements inside this group. there was a counter demonstration around 4500 injuries. throughout germany, some of the climbeddemonstrations to 20,000 in aggregate. here is one thing we know. refugees are increasing in germany. they are up 60% this year. they expect to have some 200,000 refugees. country thate the overtook the u.s. in terms of the number of asylum seekers. that has had an economic cost. when you look at some of the numbers out there, the city of berlin has had to pay 130 million euros. they only budgeted 40 million. -- that hasot of been covered closely. how much more will it grow and what will it do to angela merkel 's support? is merkel going to respond to this. this is in the eas

but we bombed dresden in 1945. yes, the japanese did terrible atrocities but the argument then moral equivalency yeah but we dropped the atom bomb on hiro hiroshima. this is a similar sort of thing. >> former harvard law professor alan dershowitz agrees in the wake of 9/11 everyone wanted torture used. >> right. >> there are a couple things, number one is whether it worked. two is who knew about this. >> yeah. >> three is that everyone who is supporting it now is spaying that a legal memo of the justice department okayed it. and i'm not sure why we have a couple lawyers at the justice department making the decision for the nation. i sort of want the president and in a debate in congress that's where the discussion lies now. >> isn't it interesting that we wait until al qaeda is on the run and the terror threat has been minimized. it's been 13 years before all sawfden everyone wakes up to the problem where were they in 2004. >> i mean, i didn't know about it then. >> i think most of us who followed it closely knew t

dictator ship, if you look at the pictures of downtown historic havana, it looks like a bombed out dresden. >> the idea that the businessmen are very refineded. and i would like to make this point again, the spanish in this country, the cubans and mexicans and puerto ricans have never exactly agreed on things, particularly this issue. >> what about the process of this, eric, which is once again, president obama not going through a new congress to see if they can get something done, but instead going in front of them and instead going, now i want to work with you afterwards? does that cause problems going into to the next two years. >> he promised he was going to do this, remember he talked about this four years ago, he said that was one of the things he would love to see, a normalizing, by the way it's not free and open trade just yet. we're going to work our way into it. >> jay-z and beyonce are happy. >> there will probably be some business opportunities in cuba. but the guy that comes from cuba says he doesn't like the deal, he may never have gotten this through congress, through senate

but we bombed dresden. neil: that's an excellent point. no sense of relativity. >> so we blame ourselves for minor transgressions. and we let tyrants like hitler and these wackos in the middle east get away with this. and our academics and intellectuals treat them as equals. neil: forget what precipitated this. this is born of horror. general, you get right to the heart of the matter. i thank you, sir, very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: they were just doing their job. police in australia prevented what could have been mass carnage, refusing to pat themselves on the back. that's kind of how police roll whether down under in australia or up north in iowa. or just last week in new york trying to keep calm. well, my biz pals see everyone else losing a sense of calm. it makes you think, doesn't it. >> it sure does. if you haven't made a charitable contribution to your fire department or police department, they run into the line of fire every single time to save our lives. we don't even know them. these people did it so graciously. they don't

>> people in dresden germany celebrated the annual stolen fest.took hours to cut the cake which was handed out to thousands. the root of the festival dates back to the 19th century. >>> much more coming up including a look at the exclusive accuweather seven-day forecast. it'll come from my kitchen. the biggest surprise this season won't come from an upset, try our new philly cheesesteak pizza. a large for $12. add a red kettle cookie for $6 and a portion of the proceeds go to the salvation army. better ingredients. better pizza papa john's. >> happening right on "action news," volunteers, friends, family, searching for a missing college student are turning to eagles fans for help today. >>> protests in california over a grand jury decision has turned violent. >> new york city is bracing itself for a royal visit today. those stories, but first a check of the accuweather forecast, with meteorologist chris sowers outside. hey, chris. >> reporter: there we go, hello, [laughter]. we're doing all right out here, we have sunshine on the terrace, however,

anti-immigration rallies in germany are growing larger. [ shouting ] this demonstration monday night in dresden drew more than 17,000 people. they call themselves "patriotic europeans against the islamation of the west". german chancellor angela merkle has condemned the protests. there was a rally by a smaller group opposing them. >>> wall street is booming just before the christmas holiday. it was a big day for the dow which is up more than 8% for the year. the nasdaq also posted gains >>> a russia is warning of an economic crisis. they risk having their debt downgraded to junk status. >> translator: today i can say we have entered or are entering a full-scale economic crisis. next year we'll feel the full effects of it. we will be under the greatest risk since 2000. the household income of ordinary people will decrease. >> he blames the ruble's plummet in part on sanctions over ukraine. falling oil prices have also helped batter the russian economy. >>> a hong kong tycoon and former official have learned their fates in the city's largest corruption trial. thomas kwak was fined more than $64,0

more than 17,000 supporters of an anti-islamic protest have gathered in the city of dresden. the protesters sang christmas contr carols. they described themselves as patriots who are defending christian values and traditions. >>> let's take you to south africa on the shocking level of gun crime there. youngsters have taken to riding waves in a unique project that's aimed at getting them away from a life of violence. they're being taught to surf. >> cape town. one of south africa's fastest growing neighborhoods. poverty, unemployment and crime are rife here. but young people who live here want to change the township's bad image. this man, a former gangster, has turned his life around. the 25-year-old is part of a local ngo waves for change, which was established with the idea of getting children hooked on surfing, rather than the more negative attractions of their neighborhood. >> with surfing, i see change. a lot of children, they can change. so now every time, they want to go to the beach. >> reporter: an unlikely scene in a south african township. over the dunes, youngsters

in dresden in germany for weeks now thousands of protesters have been meeting on mondays in increasinglynti-islam marches. the latest drew 15,000 people. a loose coalition of the anti-immigrant, the right wing and those claiming to fear what they call islamization. [ speaking a foreign language ] >> reporter: the german chancellor condemned the demonstrations but some worry attacks like these in france are likely to further boost their cause. under the pal of what a local paper called fear over christmas the prime minister is urging calm saying hundreds of additional military personnel would be ordered onto the streets to reinforce those already on duty. meanwhile, at the market in nantes, shoppers have returned. wearing white arm bands in solidarity with the victims. [ speaking a foreign language ] >> translator: we are not scared. we must come back. we have no choice. >> reporter: a show of resolve even as so many remain on edge and on alert. nima elbagir, cnn, london. >> now to this, authorities in algeria say they killed the leader of a terror group that beheaded a french hiker. they

. >> well then maybe you were confused when we carpet bombed dresden that had no military involvementthe jerry man people. >> it certainly was slaughter of thousands of innocent people. >> yes, it was. is the tokyo bombings. >> war is tough business and it's hell. >> all right,; >> can i mention one last thing. >> absolutely. >> i had conversations with with the vice president of the united states and with general hayden the head of the cia who tried to convince me that they wanted to be able to do this. i vigorously disagreed with them at the time on the grounds that you and i are talking about. >> oh, you have been remarkably consistent and we have to respect your opinion because you went through it. and you are a patriot and i want everybody to know that it's my job to interrogate you without throwing any water on you. and i want to wish you a very, very merry christmas, senator, thank you. >> you are pulling out my fingernails. >> all right. here is a great christmas gift idea. senator mccain's new book called 13 soldiers, a personal victory of americans at war in stores everywher

americans we stood together during world war ii, many civilians were killed by american forces in dresdeno and other places but as a country we didn't tear ourselves apart. we had the moral standing. >> what i was going to ask you, the truth is perception whether in washington or across the globe, sometimes can be more powerful certainly than the reality any of us see. so the report is out there, the feeling is that the cia crossed the line, did some pretty horrific things. going forward, i wonder if there is some way to right this ship. i want to read you an op-ed former senator bob kerry wrote on the intel committee, i'm sure you know him. >> right. >> he wrote "our intelligence personnel who are once again on the front lines fighting the islamic state need recommended guidance from their board of governors, the u.s. congress." how about that? >> yes, and they got the guidance back in 2002. they were told what to do by the u.s. congress back in 2002. they did it and now they're being attacked for it. i think senator kerry also said, i give him tremendous credit for this, senator kerry a

in the second world war, dresden was fire bombed from the air. unthickable even to his colleagues they would do that. so there is an internal palace coup and the top box is ousted. he is replaced by man who becomes head of the east german ruling regime, the socialist unionist party. and he takes over and decides to use a different approach because this approach of steadily ask lating violence is self-defeating. he decided he is going to talk a good game in public, but not actually change much in private. so he is going to make it sound like he's going to copy gorbachev and institute reforeigns without actually doing them, and most importantly, on the night of november 9th in 1989, in divide berlin, he decides to announce some relatively minor changes to immigration rules as a soft to the crowds. the regime still retains its ability to control the movement of people absolutely on a whim. it still has the berlin wall. still dart ted berlin wall. nothing changed. the bottom line has not changed. he's going to announce a reform that sound goods in pu

in the second world war, dresden was fire bombed from the air. unthickable even to his colleagues they would do that. so there is an internal palace coup and the top box is ousted. he is replaced by man who becomes head of the east german ruling regime, the socialist unionist party. and he takes over and decides to use a different approach because this approach of steadily ask lating violence is self-defeating. he decided he is going to talk a good game in public, but not actually change much in private. so he is going to make it sound like he's going to copy gorbachev and institute reforeigns without actually doing them, and most importantly, on the night of november 9th in 1989, in divide berlin, he decides to announce some relatively minor changes to immigration rules as a soft to the crowds. the regime still retains its ability to control the movement of people absolutely on a whim. it still has the berlin wall. still dart ted berlin wall. nothing changed. the bottom line has not changed. he's going to announce a reform that sound goods in pu

i'm horrified in the comfort of 2014 every time i read about the dresden fire bombing where we incinerated00,000 germans unnecessarily. i'm offended by so many things that i read. you wonder whether it was necessary to drop two atomic bombs. i sit and wonder how could fdr have interned over 100,000 japanese-americans that were loyal patriots. how could woodrow wilson do what he had done. you and i come at it perhaps from different viewpoints. i think what fdr did, what woodrow wilson did, what george w. bush did, and i think what barack obama is doing, and i'm offended by the massive uptick of drones since 2009 and concerned about the nsa program. but i don't think barack obama, i don't think george w. bush, i don't think fdr are horrible human beings. i think like lincoln suspending habeas corpus in the middle of the civil war were doing what they thought would protect the most americans. >> the simple case i'm making is the american people taught be the judges of that in a democracy not secret government report. >> identify been waiting for americans to be offended by the uptick in drone

i can investigate the fire bombing of dresden. the decisions we made to drop atomic bombs. >> war is ugly. >> you know what? the thing is we made mistakes. you know what? every country makes mistakes. we need to learn from them and that's what's so depressing about this report is it doesn't allow us to learn because it's so partisan. listen i'm a guy and mika you know we've talked about this for some time. i am i think more along harold's line than donny's line. i said for some time i remember what it was like on september 12th, 2001. i remember what these men and women were told. and so even coming in from that point of view we got to do to keep america safe. there's excesses here that's disturbing and we should learn from them. but diane feinstein has taken that opportunity away from us. the senate intel committee took that opportunity away from us. they provide bipartisan report. which doesn't bring up the fact that diane feinstein was briefed on this and she didn't care at the time. she cares now. this is the worst thing ever.

drone strikes are certainly much more precise for example than the bombing of dresden in world war iibombings in vietnam or other efforts or bombings in desert storm in the '90s, but there's no question that tragedies happen and that civilians are lost. i think the real question about the drone program is is it counterproductive in the sense that it creates more animosity towards the united states in areas around the world than it is effective in eliminating terrorists? i think that's a bigger question. i think it marginally is effective on the plus side. but when it comes to the legal structure, think it's more sound. >> but jay, you can't dismiss the ethical questions about the drone program. because -- >> oh no, i wouldn't, i wouldn't at all. >> what we know, we don't know much. because much of it is shrouded in secrecy. we believe there have been more than 2400 people killed in these drone strikes. not all of them terrorists. at best, they're suspect. there's no adjudication, sometimes children are killed, sometimes their families are killed. is it time for to us take a good, hard