my refugee solidarity meeting is in the technical school of the university of dresden. and what is the 1st arabic and newspaper in germany it's for the arabic speakers here the newcomers and settled also but we have a lot of followers on facebook where you have 50000 people and how fast. there is no r.c. translation right now for us i mean we are a group of syrian and arabs so we don't speak unfortunately these activists are well intentioned but dealing with arab refugees is as new to them as dealing with german activists is for me on one side there was one of these stupid questions which came up always in the newspapers are going to get to discussions how much money does a refugee get already a refugee refers you gets more money. than hartsfield. did a good person hurts for receivers our welfare recipients they give their claims that the german government spends more money on a refugee than on a poor german. the fact is refugees and hertz for recipients both get $400.00 euros per person per month. you still you know nobody is disputing the you can. say this it says the

come to dresden in the former east germany for a meeting with anti-racist activists. it's my 1st time in this part of the country i expected the grey sat city but found something very different dresden was a center of german culture. germany's revolutionary priest martin luther came from this part of germany he was the founder of protestantism which began as a protest movement for social equality. my refugee solidarity meeting is in the technical school of the university of dresden. and what is the 1st arabic and newspaper in germany it's for the arabic speakers here the newcomers and settled also but we have a lot of followers on facebook by 50000 people and our farsi. there is no r.c. sensation right now for us i mean we are a group of syrian and arabs so we don't speak farsi unfortunately these activists are well intentioned but dealing with arab refugees is as new to them as dealing with german activists is for me on one side there was one of these stupid questions which came up always in the newspapers begin to discussions how much money does a refugee get alread

or whatever we want to do our part to help fight the head demick eye with basketball fans from dresden and we're hoping that when winter comes we can go back into the stadium. everyone here is wearing a tracer that will record their movements around the lot sigurd rina there are 3 scenarios one with social distancing one with some distancing and one with strict distancing participants were tested for the virus before coming still they must wear high standard protective masks researches heart the study will help make public events possible and safe. we are made to these up we will have to bring this pandemic under control and make sure that people don't become seriously ill from the virus but we also have to make sure that life in the meantime is still worth living by to human lives that is living it is one. german singer tim ben scope played along with the experiment from a distance it could all pass for a normal concert. down the middle multiple kentucky this summer we had to endure drive in concerts so for us what this feels like the 1st step towards normality booted off the show to

in other words, they were people of color, which is nonsense because we bombed dresden. that was a purpose of demoralizing the german people, for them to surrender. it is unfortunate, what happened with the dropping of the two bombs. open a pandora's box. but it saved millions of japanese lives who would have been caught in the crossfire, as well as american lives and casualties. am i wrong on that, professor? basically, you have to bear in mind, right up until the and, it was assumed the bombs would be used against germany as soon as they were available. they did not have bombs ready to use against germany. the first bomb, which was a test bomb, was detonated in 1945. let me come back to a really basic point. it's not that the argument i'm advancing says we don't care about the japanese. what i have -- going over this for many years now, the fact is our narratives we have been using on this talk about japanese deaths, the fact that they were asians. our american people at that time, they were reading day by day and they were well aware of how horrific it was in asia and

the bombing of dresden, population centers in both germany and japan, the fire bombing of tokyo. more people died in tokyo than hiroshima. the scale of violence, the horror that was being inflicted across the world, to be honest, the atomic bomb was not a massive escalation. it was simply a more powerful weapon that is just part of this horrific world that had descended into this chaos. you know, there is a problem in understanding what the perspective was for people who had lost family members, all these soldiers are ready for an invasion that a million americans might die, easily 5 to 10 million japanese would have died in the invasion. was there a plan? you know, the plan was all-out war and they were going to use whatever weapons were available. >> and world war ii build toward a crescendo of violence in the end, and these were just a culmination of what was already happening. we have a couple questions on facebook, and i will personally field the first one, then open it to you gentlemen for comments. david asks, he says my understanding is that german scientists intentionall

the firebombing of dresden, the bombing of population centers in both germany and in japan. the firebombing of tokyo. more more bob people died in the fire boeing in tokyo than in the bombing of here seem. the scale of bombs, the horror that was being inflicted across the world, to be honest the atomic bomb was not some kind of massive escalation and what was already going on. it was simply a more powerful weapon that was just part of this horrific world that had to send it into this chaos. there is a problem in understanding what the perspective was for people who had lost family members, all the soldiers were ready for an invasion. millions americans might die easily, five to 10 million japanese would've died in an invasion. was there a plan? the plan was all out war. they were gonna use whatever weapons were available. >> or work to really bill towards a crescendo of violence in horror at the end. the atomic bomb was a combination of that in so many ways of what was already happening. we have a couple of questions on facebook. i will personally feel dose the first one the

his advisors, marshall included. >> i would just say that eisenhower approved the firebombing of dresden. if he had moral qualms against the wanton murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians -- again, this was total war. i think many people after the bombs were dropped and the war ended, inside -- in hindsight said this was a horrific bomb and we should've found another way. at the time, there was not another way other than the invasion of mainland japan, which would have resulted in many more casualties on both sides. >> gus on facebook who is age 11, asks how did they choose the targets? >> with the help of the interim committee, gus. they selected targets they believed to be, or knew to be military targets, primarily military targets. they knew there were civilians there. hiroshima had ports, some military headquarters and some assets i think for the second army, and certainly the military police headquarters. and they had the port. they were training soldiers and shipping them to china from hiroshima. they had a port. nagasaki was a shipbuilding center, you have the mitsub

future food what will we eat tomorrow is an exhibition at the german hygiene museum in dresden it tackles a range of pressing issues such as how nutritious is the food we eat how much meat should we be consuming are vegetarians better human beings and do we really need to get our food from the other side of the planet. does this coronavirus crisis opened our eyes collectively to the fragility of our international food delivery chains what happens when our livestock feed supplements from china don't arrive and then we can't batten the pigs which in the end affects consumers. eating is also very emotional there's an often polarizing debate between lovers and vegetarians and vegans and everyone feels that they are right. food can be a morally charged issue there are ethical reasons why people become vegetarians or view guns it has to do with how animals are treated and with climate change. i'm thinking it was a small dose makes the poison as they say so sugar isn't a poison in itself meat isn't a poison in itself it all depends on the dose the amount and whether you take pleasure in eating t

off the coast of houston and i was in so it missed despite that much which is basically berlin does dresden so not not a very very close call i think we got lucky and unfortunately for those folks in cameron louisiana that storm surge came it was more of a it was more of a wind issue than a water issue and so yes that unsurvivable storm surge was forecast and that was going to be 15 to 20 feet in reality it was $5.00 to $10.00 and yet is the max i've been able to find 5 has been more common and i think the what we're going to find out that in the end of the day is that the longer of a huge storm is over water the more water it can push toward the coast so when you get like an eye or a rita or a katrina or a sandy those storms are over water as hurricanes for 4 days before they actually made landfall and broady and 20 foot storm surges you had this storm that was over as a hurricane over water for 2 days because it moved pretty quickly because of that i think it was half the storm surge was more along 10 foot but the the idea that the winds which is what dr storm surge those were there 12013

coast of houston and the high was and so it missed despite that much which is basically berlin does dresden so not not a very not a very close good call i think we got lucky and unfortunately for those folks in cameron louisiana that storm surge came in and brad it was more of a it was more of a wind issue than a water issue and so yes that unsurvivable storm surge was forecast and that was going to be 15 to 20 feet in reality it was $5.00 to $10.00 and it is the max i've been able to find 5 has been more common and i think the we're going to find out that in the end of the day is that the longer of a huge storm is over water the more water it can push toward the coast so when you get like an eye or a rita or a katrina or a sandy those storms are over water as hurricanes for 4 days before they actually made landfall and broady and 20 foot storm surges you had this storm that was over as a hurricane over water for 2 days because it moved pretty quickly because of that i think it was half the storm surge was more along 10 foot but the the idea that the winds which is what dr storm surge those

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off the coast of houston and i was in so it missed despite that much which is basically berlin does dresden so not not a very very close call i think we got lucky and unfortunately for those folks in cameron louisiana that storm surge came it was more of the it was more of a wind issue than a water issue and so yes that unsurvivable storm surge was forecast and that was going to be 15 to 20 feet in reality it was $5.00 to $10.00 and it is the max i've been able to find 5 has been more common and i think the we're going to find out that in the end of the day is that the longer of a huge storm is over water the more water it can push toward the coast so when you get like an eye or a rita or a katrina or a sandy those storms are over water as hurricanes for 4 days before they actually made landfall and broady and 20 foot storm surges you had this storm that was over as a hurricane over water for 2 days because it moved pretty quickly because of that i think it was half the storm surge was more along 10 foot but the the idea that the winds which is what dr storm surge those were there 12013150

looks like dresden after bombing in world war ii. i mean, just shocking.s of people are still missing in that rubble there. at least 100 killed. thousands injured. officials feel the number of dead sadly will rise dramatically and you can imagine why looking at that. >> yeah, it's hard to see a city. jim, you and i both spent time -- our senior correspondent, ben wedeman has lived there for years and joins us now. your recounting of this is harrowing. you said it's like nothing you ever felt before. >> yeah. i have been in lebanon for the civil war, wars with israel. political assassinations, but what happened yesterday, one massive explosion was something i have never seen before here and nobody else i have spoken with has either. at this point, in addition to the dead and the wounded, the mayor -- the governor of beirut is saying at least 300,000 people have been made homeless by this explosion. we're not far from the port where the explosion took place. behind me is the lebanese state electricity company. almost every window there has been knocked out.

in other words, there were people of caller, which is nonsense because we bombed dresden in germany. a purpose of demoralizing the german people, for them to surrender. it is unfortunate what happened with the dropping of the two bombs. it did open up pandora's box, but on the other hand it saved millions of japanese lives who would have been caught in the crossfire, as well as american lives and casualties. am i wrong on that? guest: no. basically, you have to bear in mind that until the end it was assumed the bombs were going to be used against germany. it turned out from a tactical standpoint they didn't have bombs ready in time to use against germany. bomb, wasbomb, a test detonated in july 1945. let me come back again to a basic point. it is not that the argument time advancing says we don't care about the japanese who died. i wrote graphically about that in my book. both the fire rated and hiroshima. what i have been going over these many years now is the fact that our narratives we have been using simply talk about japanese deaths, the fact that japanese were asians. i don't m

there are city blocks in kenosha that look like dresden. what do you say to all those portraits of violence, all the stories of violence that we can see on television regarding how they match the narrative of these three nights of the republican convention and the big applause line in the pence speech tonight, i wrote it down, we will have law and order on the streets of this country. >> it's so interesting, brian, that throughout night three of this convention i kept hearing dr. martin luther king junior being referred to and once again we continue to hear this selective cherry-picking of the quotes that make it sound like color blindness is the only answer here. we didn't hear him talk about the fact that he said it's actually the white moderate who stands most in the way of black folks who seek freedom because they're more interested in -- here is that word again, order rather than justice. they're not interested in talking about when dr. king said that a riot is the language of the unheard and the implication there is if we listen bette

in other words, they were people of color, which is nonsense, because we bombed dresden over in germany. that was a purpose of demoralizing the german people, for them to surrender. it's unfortunate what happened with the dropping of the two bombs. it did open up pandora's box. but on the other hand, it saved millions of japanese lives who would have been caught in the crossfire as well as american lives and casualties. am i wrong on that, professor? >> no. basically you have to bear in mind right up until the he said, it was assumed the bombs would be used against germany as soon as they were available. turned out from a technical standpoint didn't have bombs ready to use against germany. they surrendered in may. first bomb, test bomb, was detonated in july 1945. let me come back again to a really basic point. it's not that the argument on advancing we don't care about the japanese who died. i wrote very graphically about that in my book, both the fire raid in tokyo in 1945 and also hiroshima. but what i've been going over these many years now is the fact our narratives we've been usin

in other words, they were people of color, which is nonsense because we bombed dresden.s a purpose of demoralizing the german people, for them to surrender. it is unfortunate, what happened with the dropping of the two bombs. open a pandora's box. but it saved millions of japanese lives who would have been caught in the crossfire, as well as american lives and casualties. am i wrong on that, professor? basically, you have to bear in mind, right up until the and, it was assumed the bombs would be used against germany as soon as they were available. they did not have bombs ready to use against germany. the first bomb, which was a test bomb, was detonated in 1945. let me come back to a really basic point. it's not that the argument i'm advancing says we don't care about the japanese. what i have -- going over this for many years now, the fact is our narratives we have been using on this talk about japanese deaths, the fact that they were asians. our american people at that time, they were reading day by day and they were well aware of how horrific it was in asia and we have

in other words, there were people of caller, which is nonsense because we bombed dresden in germany. a purpose of demoralizing the german people, for them to surrender. it is unfortunate what happened with the dropping of the two bombs. it didthere are so many reasonsy truman had to do that. what was the alternative? i heard generals saying they were going to blockade japan until they gave up. what? could you address those points that you haven't yet? host: thank you, rick. know, he famously said he didn't lose any sleep over the decision and various comments like that. if you go through everything he actually said, in his mind he in twohole area compartments. one was, that i make the best decision of what was presented to me? he always believed that if you understood all of the he made what secretary stimson called the least abhorrent choice. message, which is really the first serious message about ending the war that has this language in it that says, the precondition they want is that the prerogatives of the morning. my father served in world war ii. i would like to ask professor