i school of public health, drexel university in philadelphia. i'm a demographic by trending, and previously i saw as the executive director of the african population health research center in my b. and i also found on the un high level advisory board for economic and social affairs. i guess it's really hard for me to grapple with what 1000000000 people looks like. what that feels like. well, i feel different on november, the 15th, and i do right now, rachel. no, you won't. in simple terms. yeah. this has been a while coming and yeah, you won't feel much on the 15th of november. jennifer, when we talk about a number like 8000000000. if you're studying population, then you knew it was coming. i remember at school we were usually worried about how many more billions of people can, can survive on the earth. and he, we, our 8000000. what does that mean for most of us? how should we think about that number? well, you know, i also remember studying this in school and actually i think that's how i ended up making career career out of studying population