. >> driscoll. >> present. mr. ghandi. not arrived. commissioner held fond. >> present. >> commissioner safai. commissioner stansbury is not attending. >> is there any commissioner to make a motion regarding the closed session whether toditiono disclose or not. >> i move we do not disclose items from session a or b from the closed session. >> second. >> commissioner bridges and commissioner driscoll seconded. any discussion? if not call the roll, please. >> public comment? >> public comment go ahead. members of the comment who wish to comment on this item should call 415-655-0001. access code (146)491-7791. pound pound. if you have not done so please press star 3 to line up to speak. the prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. wait until you are unmuted to begin your comments. state your name and make your comment. you will have two minutes to comment. do we have callers on the line? >> there are no callers on the line. >> public comment is closed. >> thank you very much. item 5, please. roll call vote. >> roll call vote now. >

it was not clear why driscoll and clark split, but people from his suit with the matter had suggestedld cooperate with the committee's request. jeffrey clark, was reportedly trying to stage a coup, within the justice department, and get himself promoted to acting attorney general by drafting a letter to george officials, to urge them to investigate non existing voter fraud. donald trump was considering a plan to fire his acting attorney general and installed jeffrey clark as attorney general so that that letter can be sent. it was only when donald trump was confronted with the possibility of the immediate protests recognition, a virtually everyone else at the top of the justice department, if he fired the acting attorney general. but donald trump, then retreated from the plant, joining us now is, paul butler, law professor at georgetown university, and a prosecutor, he's an msnbc legal analyst. paul, i am fascinated by the postponement of jeffrey clark's testimony because he lost his lawyer. and this reporting in the washington post that the separation from the lawyer has something to

. >> the bottom line or answer to your question, commissioner driscoll, is yes. with the haircut [indiscernible] the scenarios we actually are actually [indiscernible] than what we presented here, but the answer is we're able to handle these scenarios presented today as presented in september will [indiscernible]. >> perhaps i is could have brought that liquidity report to show that with all the things that we're trying to achieve with the issue of return [indiscernible] i want to reconcile those two numbers. >> very good question. [indiscernible] actually, the volatility that was actually realized by the fund. >> ana, you cut out for a moment. just to confirm, slide 16 is what's been realized, correct? >> right. >> all right. that's what's important. this issue is if our goal is one of these returns is 7.8%. i'm going to kind of have to go over very quickly today the informal survey that was done of us last year about what our risk tolerance is as a board. if we want to achieve a great rate of return by drives contributions and our funding ratio, we have to deci

goddard, james dobson, kim and beverly la hay and john eldridge and others such as oliver north, mark driscollller who were foundational in beginning and supporting the development of an image of masculinity as rugged and in some measure excusable within the movement. on the other side, you mentioned figures like rick warren, bill highballs, jim wallace, russell lord and others who have pushed back against part of this mythic development. what grow see as the future? >> yeah. first of all, yes, many, many books were read, and i do want to give my shout out to i had three university research assistants, students who e helped me with this, and they were phenomenal. there's no way this book could have been written in this way without their, their labor and insight. so, yeah, i'm glad you listed the variety of figures that we're talking about because all of evangelicalism, conservative white evangelicalism can't be reduced to militancy, right? you've got all kinds -- you've got russell moore, so this is where the story is, right? one of the things i kind of do throughout this book is kind of get a

jeffrey clark broke up with his lawyer, bob driscoll yesterday as well. that led to a postponement of clark's deposition. that occurred because my colleagues reported that driscoll couldn't agree on how to cooperate with the committee. i think we are going the see more and more schisms and problems between these who continue to argue and assert that the former president should still be president and that joe biden's presidency is illegitimate. >> you know, mike, mark meadows has a real lawyer, a respected conservative figure, someone who has been around for a long time. i think we might have lost mike. but congressman, let me ask you this question. george terwilliger is representing the former white house chief of staff, a. toer d.o.j. official. what in your mind are the distinction carlos between someone like mark meadows who we know from the senate judiciary report was on all those calls with trump, on the call with raffensperger. all the flash points of the coup plot certainly put mark meadows in the room as much as mark eastman was writing a memo. is

he recently parted ways with his attorney robert driscoll.n our reporting speaking with dozens of lawyers around this investigation it has been difficult for witnesses to find attorneys willing to take them on. when it comes to clark he is a highly desirable witness for the committee but that is because he helped the former president in the weeks after the november election push these unfounded claims of a voter fraud and he really became one of former president trump's most useful assets inside the justice department. lawmakers want to talk to him about what the president was doing at that time and who else was helping him. but it is unclear how long it will take him to get a new attorney and if and when he'll be back before the committee. >> thank you so much. >>> one school district has switched to finger foods because there are not enough utensils. just one of the many shortages affecting how we eat. we'll show you, next. sharing smiles together is a gift. at aspen dental, it's easy to gift yourself the smile you deserve. new patients, ge