emily: so the same question with an droird, if this is saving lines of, targeting one criminal, whats wrong with that? >> i believe tim cook is saving more lives by making this decision and it's the right way to go. what you are hearing from public technology companies, maybe they're not supporting this. i've spent the last day with cyber enception experts and everyone agrees that tim cook is making the right decision here. the government is asking us to build a unicorn, something that doesn't exist and if it's made for one, it will be made for others and the code will spread. so this is a very landmark case here and we need to make sure we hold our ground. emily: bob, what do you make of how as businesses these companies have respond or not? hiroshi lockheimer stopped short of saying we would -- would do exactly the same thing. >> couple things to think about. number one, the details of this case aren't necessarily for release of a, an encryption key. that clearly would never pass muster. the challenge is we know a lot of tech companies have cooperated with authorities and provided