place by the drone manufacturers the drone lobby who wrote exactly what they wanted to be in the law send it to congress congress kind of passed it through without much looking at it and it is now in the hands of the f.a.a. who based on congress's action has to allow a certain number of drones in the air space in the next few years and this drone lobby has become as you just hinted a very powerful lobby so can we incent expect their influence to only grow i think so this is a growing industry i think it's something that people put a lot of time and money into over the years because of drones use and in the war environment and now is that environment is starting to not need drones as much there's they're looking at other avenues they're looking at other ways to sell their product and one of those is for use in the united states for public safety and for surveillance and i think that's where we're really concerned about and so what would that mean for the average american citizen to have so many of these drones hovering in our skies i think it means that you are going to have to walk o

in miami the police are using these small little drones as a hummingbird drone i mean there's all drones of different shapes and sizes is this just an inevitable future this dystopia korea ality i mean is this just another novel or do you think that we have a chance really to put privacy provisions in and some sort of legislation like rand paul is trying to propose. right there is definitely a potential that this could get out of hand really fast i mean the f.a.a. itself estimated that there may be as many as thirty thousand drones flying in the u.s. by the end of the decade which is basically one in every town but right now it's not too late to stop this kind of pervasive drone surveillance where police would be able to use it for virtually any purpose right now privacy law doesn't really prevent them from using them for surveillance purposes without a warrant but thankfully rand paul and others have proposed laws in congress that would limit the use of drones and that would force police to get a warrant if they want to spy on a certain person which is how it should be and hopefully tha

well drones are set to take over u.s. skies soon now there is growing concern the public will lose their privacy to these spy planes the winners here seem to be the drone makers and much of the reason for that is the aggressive and powerful lobbying happening right now by the defense and aerospace industry are taser mongul and shows us who's cashing in and what it's costing the american taxpayer. the drones that today have revolutionized modern warfare and are known for their seek and destroy missions over afghanistan pakistan and yemen but the drones of tomorrow will be humming over american homes there may be as many as thirty thousand drones flying in u.s. skies twenty twenty which is a huge number basically you know one every time now that congress and the president have cleared the way for spy planes to fly in u.s. skies defense and aerospace firms are pushing their way in the sea in hopes of cashing in on the expected drone business boom right now the global markets worth about according to some estimates a little l

the drone that crashed was not i see no evidence that that was a surveillance drone that was a navy drum i think they were training the pilots to handle that aircraft and we don't know what happened i just talked to the navy today and they say the investigation is still going on but i think that that incident points that if the military succeeds in getting this legislation through which would bring many more military drones into the united states you would have literally thousands more. unmanned aviation vehicles in the in the united states airspace that were solely controlled by the military now the military will say existing law covers this there's nothing to worry about but i think that the capacity of this new technology for surveillance is what's driving the type of opposition that you see in the halls bill doing that people should be worried about this drone crashing in that there is a risk for other unmanned drones to be crashing. once they are enemy. yeah i mean there's going to be a much greater risk of crashes because there are going to be many more of drones like this the mili

robot drones to stop at future of america just days after a forty four foot unmanned surveillance drone crashed on the shores of maryland senator rand paul is proposing legislation that would curb the use for drones for domestic use it's called the preserving freedom from unwarranted surveillance act of two thousand and twelve great well the someone is trying to stop the surveillance state from expanding into the sky but wait does this bill really do anything to halt their use to explore the issue and more i'm joined by marcy wheeler author and blogger for m.t.v. real dot net hey marcy thanks for joining me i wanted to play a clip really quickly of what rand had to say about this legislation. and the drone is a very very powerful way of snooping on behavior and i don't want them monitoring every every bit of my behavior and i'm not joking about the recyclables i mean we've had different states in cities trying to punish people criminally for not separating out the recyclables we don't want to nanny state that watches every minute of our day it's not that they'll be no drones it's that d

but drones are different. drones would be able to track you over a wide area.do that, law enforcement does not need a warrant probably. there is a supreme court that indicates that might change our right now that is not clear. host: we put up a map earlier. this is a map of launch sites. you can see it here. guest: i believe this is a map -- i reference the privacy group that had sued the faa under the freedom of information act. they put together this map which shows the institutions that are located that have drone certificates. the faa gave out these temporary certificates. these aware they are located. there will be numerous other sites and the dots on the map will grow much more numerous. that is what a group was able to get out of the faa. it doesn't tell us how they are being used or how many drones are at each of these sites. taboret certifications have been given -- temporary certifications have been given. host: who gets a license and what information you need to disclose to get a license to do this? guest: there is a distinction between certain aircr

the point is america has more drones than anyone else and we use more drones than anyone else. also like drones more than anyone else. in this new global survey, a solid majority of people in more than three quarters of the countries polled disapproved of the way america uses its drones. america's drone policy is not okay, that's the majority opinion almost everywhere. almost everywhere except america. in the u.s., almost two-thirds of people think the opposite. they approve of the obama administration's use of drones. so for the time being, drones, those flying, spying killing machines are an american thing. an american thing we're all used to seeing in other countries. in war zones. we're not used to seeing them stateside here in america. maybe we should be. a drone belonging to the u.s. navy crashed on monday. a crash occurred around noon. there were no injuries which is sort of the point of unmanned aerial vehicles which is what drones are. this particular unmanned aerial vehicle was a global hawk drone. it is a surveillance drone, the kind that spies, not kills. it has an

as massive drone program the u.s. is the largest producer and most frequent user of the unmanned aircraft with a fleet of over seven thousand drones and the u.s. just unveiled yet another one take a look at it. there's a monster of a drone was revealed recently in california it's a broad area maritime surveillance drone or bams as it's called it has a wingspan of more than one hundred thirty feet and can soar at eleven miles high for thirty hours and it's time but what really makes this drone different is that it allows the navy to monitor and track ships in the open sea something other drones have difficulty doing so clearly other countries have a lot of catching up to do but with other nations wanting to mimic the u.s. as drone program could we see an international race to rule the skies to talk about this is retired u.s. army colonel douglas macgregor welcome to the show douglas so would you say that there is a. the global rush to for countries to create drones absolutely without question the unmanned aircraft indu

but the little drones are like big brother on steroids. some of them are very tiny, like the -- part of a disco ball. and you can imagine them floating everywhere, gathering all kinds of information, and i think they're going to be laws that are litigated that go to the supreme court over how you control these things. and there are safety concerns as well. but it's a wave of the future. they're coming. and frankly, i'm not all that upset about it. >> the cheaper than helicopters. >> look, they can be abused, sure. you get them over your swimming pool in the summer, peeping in your window. >> looking for topless sunbathers? >> yes, but at the same time look at police use helicopters in car chases, they use them in riots, they get hostage situations. all of these things. they can be enormously helpful. they're cheap and also don't risk lives the way helicopters do. and so are they open to abuse? sure they are. but everything else is as well. and they're going to have rules and regulations. i love the judge but don't shift --. >> of course, n

they call for an end to american drone strikes. >> jon: no drones! no droning with the drones! no more drones! (laughter) that was in april. funny stuff. guess what we just did in pakistan? (laughter) >> u.s. officials confirmed today a drone strike killed the number two leader of al qaeda. >> jon: oops! (laughter) guys, you know how it is. when you're killing terrorists in video games and your parents are like "come down to dinner!" and you're like "i've just got a couple more to go! come on! five more minutes! i've got three more to kill! i can do this!" (laughter) it's hard to pull you away. i don't know what game you play like this. you know, like when you're having a up this war and you just... (laughter). all right, who'd we get this time? what's the name of the nefarious evil doer? >> the target was al qaeda's number two in command, abu yahya al-libi. >> abu yahya. >> abu yahya. >> abu yahya. (laughter) >> jon: really? abu yah yah. that has got to be the greatest disparity between the funness of a name to say and the meanness of the person. (laughter) at least since pol

drone policy abroad what hines is saying fifty years of international law now threatened by drone use is a true of course it's true and part of the problem is that we've begun to characterize the conflict with terror as war when it really isn't because we've never before in the history of the world declared war against a tactic and the reason why that makes a difference is attacked it doesn't have any geographical limit so it makes all the planet a battlefield where military force can be used if you accept that as a war paradigm the second thing is a tactic can't be eliminated there's no surrender at tokyo bay or after maddox or anything like that which means the war is permanent and that's what i think is makes it wrong about is saying well hey he's really fighting on the battlefield no you're not you're just killing in the middle of civilian territories there's no definition of what the battlefield is and these are what customarily we call murder homicide war crimes because there's no bonafide military objective behind the killings and that's what makes the international law and now

again this, stuff about drones making enemies, we used no drones.e only time we use weapons during the 1990s was to defend muslims in bosnia and kosovo and then they turned around -- al qaeda turned around and attacked us on 9/11. there's evil people in the world. drones aren't evil, people are evil. we are a force of good and we're using the drones to carry out the policies of righteousness and goodness. >> can i ask you, congresswoman, about the use of domestic drones, that the faa does allow certain cities to have drones fly over for whatever reason looking for, i don't know, criminal activity, looking for traffic jams, whatever it happens to be. they're equipped with cameras and radar. do you have any concerns in terms of privacy here? >> well, i have great concern about privacy all over our country, not just because of drones and our loss of civil rights and civil liberties based on our need for security. i think we're giving up our security in spite of the fact that we're making people more angry at us all over the world. and the very argument

is started to lease licenses for drone use and it'll get to surveillance and perhaps weaponized drones in some some amount of time already and i do want to go and to drones and the use of drones by the u.s. military has been controversial lately especially the way they've been used in pakistan anchor angering the people of countries abroad a u.s. official says a drone strike in pakistan's northwest tribal region has killed al qaeda second and command what does this say about our a lot rocky relationship with pakistan as well as president obama's drone campaign for pakistan has repeatedly asked us to stop bombing their country they talk about their own sovereignty and we have not declared war on them and it's a non war zone technically and they've repeatedly demanded that we stop pakistan after these latest set of drone bombings in the tribal regions pakistan today some in the u.s. envoy to the foreign ministry to lodge a formal protest with him over the series of drone strikes that pakistan repeatedly has asked to be ended. and yes. you know as you had mentioned earlier john defense cu

year to prove how easily and safely domestic drones can be integrated into the u.s. air space states like florida ohio and colorado are all trying to get into the domestic drone game but what are the consequences of this show american citizens be concerned about the proliferation of domestic drones in our skies jeff morally joins me now he is a staff writer at salon and the. author of the forthcoming book snow storm in august washington city francis scott key and the forgotten race right at eighteen thirty five jeff welcome and looking forward to your book but it's not about drones the rest are about that right now to begin with what has led to this domestic drone industry and why should we be concerned about what the congress passed a bill earlier this year or ordering the f.a.a. to integrate unmanned into the domestic air space until this year the f.a.a. was basically focused on mandate and really was on mandation was an exceptional case congress has reversed that priority saying you have to make a priority for a mandate so this there's a big push behind it there's

drones have--drones are a tactic. drones are one particular weapon which are being used by this president to project the power. what i think is all-encompassing the argument is whether it's a drone or sending a c.i.a. asass sin. >> there have been ground-breaking reporting on special ops. we're seeing a redesign of the use of the military. not only in privatization but unchecked military which makes eisenhower's call and warning of a military complex almost claimed. >> eliot: you talk about police power as opposed to war. you coded it in a good way there is a distinction between when you're at war, in which case killing a combatant is permissible. >> that's right. >> eliot: a law enforcement action is the obligation to take that person into detention. this is a hundreds of years of-- >> no, barry robinson, a human rights commissioner at the u.n. on the anniversary of 9/11, it should be policing called for the repeal of authorization of force passed in 2001 because that has given the executive the-- >> eliot: unbridled

drone war.ust take tapper and white house spokesperson jay carney had an exchange about the so- called kill list following the publication of the new york times exposÉ >> we have a unique situation in wisconsin or the event, the election's results of a recall petition, but the president absolutely stands by tom barrett and hopes he prevails. >> white house spokesperson jay carney responding to questions from "per. to find out more about the implications of the increase in drone attacks, we go to london to talk to chris woods, award winning reporter with the bureau of investigative journalism in london. he leads the bureau's drones investigation team. welcome to "democracy now!" can you tell us what you understand is happening in pakistan? >> the last two weeks have seen a really significant rise in the number of u.s. drone strikes taking place. i think eight since may 24. that compares to 16 strikes in the entire time from january through may. it gives you an idea of how rapidly the drone strike

of drone related deaths however when i was trying to talk. to waded into the absurd waffling between pretending of the use of drones abroad doesn't even happen and of the same time praising their use because of the charges committee i can't officially acknowledge that we have a drone program but assuming that we do what we did if you go if you're right i did say that up front but the fact is in every war there's a large amount of collateral damage of civilian casualties with this world war two was the korean war and if we were using ordinary explosives we would also have those type of a civilian jets now i think it's kind of scary that peter king isn't even phased by the seventy percent civilian death rate that's a figure that candy crowley took when your report from the new america foundation and of course he doesn't seem fazed that our own government attempts to hide these figures from us as best they can and then leaves it up to other organizations to try to piece the puzzle together then we carelessly loves our drone war in with a so-call

the drone program and the pretrial hearings in bradley manning's case continue in the prosecution lying to the judge we'll talk to kevin gosnell. there hasn't been anything yet on t.v. . it is to get the maximum political impact. before the source material is what helps keep journalism on the we. we want to present. something else. more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. giant corporations are all today. it. well here on the show a lot of spends a considerable and well deserved amount of time asking imperative questions about the u.s. drone program we talk about the legal gray areas surrounding it about how it's popular here at home and very unpopular abroad and what might happen when other countries start to build their own drones from a lack of regulation and foresight to a lack of intelligence about who the cia is actually killing supporters of u.s. drone warfare still have a lot of explaining to do the oversight is simply been in adequate thus far and has been since the program launched in pakistan

they just drone you. chris christie, just send out a drone.bout not let any animals in the cars or human beings in the car so there are no injuries have everyone stay home and walk and let were walk and get in better shape so the government cannot regulate the sugar we drink in our sodas it is an example of good intentions but horrible excuse. drone 'em. drone 'em. >>arthur: does snooki have something to do with this. >>shepard: you should not be allowed to put clothes on your animal. that should be $1,000 fine. >>arthur: how are the laws about putting dogs in the back of a tip up truck? in rural america --. >>shepard: we don't have pickup trucks in manhattan. you do. but not in manhattan. >>arthur: in mississippi? rural america? isn't that common. it is fun, cool, what you do. you cannot do it in new jersey. and there are plenty parts of rural new jersey where it makes sense to put a beautiful lab in the back of the pickup. >>shepard: jersey does things to get to us talk. >>randy: if i win a japanese fighting fish at a carnival do i put it in

american drone strike again ok it is number two was killed by a drone and what's being touted as a major blow to the organization but well we are the story before coming up we'll tell you while his resilience might outlast america's air power plus two hundred fifty thousand pages of treasury the documents a week in leaks on the map is now the main evidence against private first class bradley manning those same documents might be able to save him from some of the charges we'll tell you how. we all know the u.s. can be a little hollow it sign when it comes to cyber security it's downright hypocritical on one hand congress is ramping up the need for internet protection bills and on the other the obama administration is secretly attacking foreign governments using the resources it says it's so afraid of so what this can of cyber worms wide open is this the next platform for war. one day june sixth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm at a martin and you're watching r t. well the number two al qaeda leader has been declared killed by a drone strike on the pakistani border according to government o

arming drones, i don't think domestically armed drones are a good idea. what i would say is that drones can be used if you have a proper warrant. but that means you go through a judge. a judge has to say there is probable cause of a crime. but i don't want drones crisscrossing our cities and our country snooping on americans. and that's the surveillance state that i'm very concerned about. and that's what our bill would stop. >> this military drone that crashed in sals bury, maryland, the aclu is also concerned it could crash in a neighborhood and hurt people. is that a concern to you too? >> i don't know the safety profile of how good they are. but they do crash occasionally. this one crashed. and we also lost the one in iran. so i think there is some danger. but i'm not against technology per se. what i am for are the constitutional processes that protect our civil liberties. so, you know, it's not like i'm against the police using cars or against them using airplanes or helicopters or robots. but i am for personal privacy for saying that no policeman w