. >> drp bana.c .c. hek? >> doctor bana.c. hek? >> you talked about the equality of the orthotic providers and in testimony mentioned, a masters degree program. >> uh-huh. >> is it easy to find people that can do this work? i mean, is there a lot of people out there that do this? i'm kind of kurcurious as to th experiences that you have in finding qualified people to do this job? >> flank rankly, there's probabt enough, between certainly the growing problem we have in this country with diabetes. we've got increasing veteran population. the baby boomers in general. so the need and demand for these services are growing, and the reality if it is we have a limited number of schools. so graduating students for, that have their -- their training in orthotics and prosthetics. it's an issue and concern, yes, but one we face in the private practice as well as within the veterans administration. >> do you think the qualification for the tipic the va orthotics are pretty much the same as a private practice person? >> i would like to they they