but dr. jackkillen, of the agency that funded the governments black cohosh tests, says he's sure his samples were authentic. >> i think we have a great deal of confidence that the variability we see in the research is not attributable to sometimes the black cohosh is there and sometimes it isn't. >> reporter: at this point, we decided to buy our own samples and have them tested-- not just black cohosh, but a couple of other best-selling herbs-- gingko and ginseng, both of which stevenson's lab had already d.n.a. barcoded. we bought only four samples of gingko biloba, that supposed aid for-- what was it again? oh yes, memory. and four samples of ginseng, thought to enhance other sorts of performance. >> there's one species, the north american species quinquefolius, panax quinquefolius, is the preferred ginseng around the world. >> reporter: because it's supposed to have aphrodisiac powers. >> yeah, it's supposed to have, be the most effective. >> reporter: admittedly, our sample size was too small

dr. >>> all right. next weekend and really all week maybe jack o la terns will be glowing on doorsteps across the countryafter halloween comes thanksgiving and people are worried there won't be enough pumpkins left over for the pies. our jacqui jeras has been investigating. i like this assignment because i love all things pumpkin. >> do, too. those used for pumpkin pie are different than the jackolanterns. >> i didn't know that. >> absolutely. what is thanksgiving without pumpkin pie, right? everybody loves it literally millions of americans love the sweet treat but bad weather, too much rain and higher demand is leaving the grocery stores with rather thin shelves.s. >> all right, pumpkin, where are you? >> while linus was in search of many americans were in search of the great pumpkin pie. these fields in central illinois were so wet pumpkins literally rotted on the vine. now that a new season approaches, americans want to know, will thee pumpkins here be enough to get them to the holiday season? welcome to morton, illinois, self-proclaimed pumpkin capital of the world and home to libby's pumpkin. 95% o

democrat jack conway and republican rand paul mixed it up. >> i'm not saying dr. paul is crazy.re out of the mainstream and out of touch with normal kentuckians. >> waiting for him to catch up a little bit in the polls and then we'll refer to more. what he has to do is either defend this president or run away. so far he's running away from president obama and the agenda. >> a.b.stoddard is associate columnist for "the hill." real clear politics took an average and found rand paul leading jack conway by 6.5 points. what is driving this race in kentucky? >> well, kentucky is a republican state. it should be further than that and there are polls showing jack conway ahead by small leads. this is a very interesting race. remember that it's an open state so you don't have a democratic incumbent having to defend everything that's gone on in the congress and defend president obama and his record in a state like kentucky where he's obviously very unpopular. jack conway is the attorney general and he's run a very shrewd campaign talking mostly about local issues. he's an expert about the

dr. paul. >> you criticized jack conway for raising money and outside of kentucky and challenged him to return his salary to the stage for those days. if elected, you will return to the federal government's or give to a charity any say you earn on days when you were campaigning that side of kentucky for either yourself or your father? >> the interesting thing is she has been gone over half of september in california with nancy pelosi raising money. we want him to do his job here. he wants to blame the drug problem on may. i am a small town physician in bowling green. he is the chief law-enforcement officer in the state and in the flag of this have doubled. the prescription drug problem is rising. the pressing nature of the drug issue should come back to him. he is the one in charge. >> as of our latest campaign finance report, more than 70% of my money is in the state and more than 70% of his money is from out of state. he does not think the rules apply to him. look at the store this week about kentucky taxpayers united. they did not file their paperwork. he has been going around saying he is

senate candidates jack conway and rand paul debated at northern kentucky university on monday evening. drpaul is an ophthalmologist supported by the tea party. they are running to replace rep jim bunning for the bill clinton rep -- campaign for mr. conway on monday and vice-presidential nominee sarah palin campaign for rand paul last month. this is one hour. >> live, from the concert hall on the campus of northern kentucky university, this is the 2010 kentucky u.s. senate debate. wednesday evening everyone. i and clyde gray, walking need to the campus of northern kentucky university. for the next hour, i will be moderating tonight's debate between democrat jack conway and republican rand paul. we will bring the candidates out in just a few moments, but first, a little bit about them. >> jack conway is a democrat. he is 41 years old. he has a bachelor of arts degree but to university and is a graduate of the george washington university law school. he has worked as a legislative aide and counsel for the house banking committee as well as for former kentucky gov. paul patton. he also practi

. >> jack conway worked in his own share of barbs, painting his opponent as a tea party fanatic. >> i'm not saying drmain stream and out of touch with the value of normal kentuckians. >> reporter: the comment getting the most attention so far is one that came from rand paul when he said the age of eligibility for social security should be raised for future recipients, because baby-boomers are set to retire. he says the number of people drawing benefits will double creating a serious problem in the cash-strapped social security fund. he stressed however, that those already receiving benefits would not see any changes. jack conway fought the effort to nationalize the debate and stressed issues that would be important to kentuckians on local level like crime, saying that paul would do anything to avoid talking about drugs. jamie? >> jamie: mike tobin, live in louisville. thank you. catch the debate on "fox news sunday" with our own chris wallace. check your local listings. >> eric: man, oh, man, heavy rains creating flooding in north carolina. much of the small town of wi windsor, north carolina, is und

dr. paul, let me give you a chance to respond. do you think that social security is a ponzi scheme? >> the 20 most painful minutes were chris matthews. when jacked he wanted to attack my religion. we have a bit of a disagreement there. social security is having difficulty finding itself. it is funded by people paying taxes. in 1937, there were 42 workers and one retiree. it ran surpluses for many decades. we get to the 1970's and 1980's, it was seven workers to one retiree. it still ran surpluses, but guess what? the career politicians were squandering this. right now, we're down to less 3 workers per one retiree. we are heading toward having one worker for one retiree. what does all this mean? it means the baby boomers retiring, we have to figure out how to pay for it. right now, social security is paying out more than an brings in. there is a problem with finding it. -- funding it. i am willing to step up and say, let's have an adult discussion about how we fix these programs. >> i want to return to the discussion about social security and medicare and how will reduce the deficit. and give you a chance to clarify some of the comments about t

dr. paul, let me give you a chance to respond. do you think that social security is a ponzi scheme? >> the 20 most painful minutes were chris matthews. when jack decided he wanted to attack my religion. social security is having difficulty finding itself. it is funded by people paying taxes. in 1937, there were 42 workers and one retiree. we get to the 1970's and 1980's, it was seven workers to one retiree. the career politicians were squandering this. to less 3 we're down workers per one retiree. what does all this mean? it means the baby boomers retiring, we have to figure out how to pay for it. right now, social security is paying out more than an brings in. there is a problem with finding it. i am willing to step up and say, let's have an adult discussion about how we fix these programs. >> i want to return to the discussion about social security and medicare and how will reduce the deficit. and give you a chance to clarify some of the comments about the civil rights act. do you deny that you said that? is there any clarification? >> i never said that i believe in anything remotely about segregated lunch counter. chris matthews came on the

dr. paul, let me give you a chance to respond. do you think that social security is a ponzi scheme? >> the 20 most painful minutes on msnbc or chris matthews and jack over religion. what social security is is having difficulty finding itself. is funded by current people paying taxes. in 1937 when it began the were 42 workers and one retiree, and it ran surpluses for many decades. arriving in the 1970's it was seven workers to one retiree, still running surpluses. but the career politicians were putting it into the general fund and spending it. we're down to less than three workers for each retiree. what does it mean? the baby boomers are retiring. we need to figure out how to pay for it. this year such as it is paying more than it brings in. there is a problem with funding it. -- social security is paying more than it brings in. let's have been a bill discussion about how to fix the programs. >> i want to return to a discussion about social security and medicare. let me give you a chance to clarify some comments made about the 1964 civil-rights act. do you deny that you said that? is there any clarification to add? >> i never said that i believe in