balancing of other considerations even within the alternative energy solutions like energy efficiency to dsmey are starting to incorporate those things process is very conservative and very oriented towards producing transmissions solutions. >> mr. welch? >> welcome to go to the question of frustration i feel with the planning process is i would agree with you that order 890 went a long way but the one thing we don't have is full participation from all of the affected people and as a result of that when you were trying to do regional planning you are not going to get to the solution set that you need. number one. number two, like when we had problems and 2003 with the largest black out that affected the country we can to the conclusion that nerc wasn't responsible for setting reliability standards. as a result we changed the way nerc was funded, it reports to ferc funded through an assessment through all of the utilities and rather -- in that assessment s paid to ferc who then pays nerc and we've taken the financial incentives of the market participants out of the hands of the argeo or this