but, yeah, ptsd is whatever the dsm wants it to be on a more technical level. health insurance, you know, cultural taboos all play a part in its definition. jonathan shay has a new definition, moral injury, which we could probably talk about a little more which is sort of looking at it, um, as an intrusion into civilian life based on actions that would be considered immoral on the ground here. so, yeah, it's a question that you end up, you know, if you decide a definition, that definition will pretty much break apart, and you'll have to go to another definition. so it's slippery. >> yeah. something that you touched on about caregivers and how i the general sense of feeling is it's just for the guys, and it's quite literal, but even so much the say as a caregiver, i always say that, like, my job was simple. it really was. i just walked around in a circle in afghanistan. not really more detailed than that. i didn't punch bin laden or anything. like, no one ever trained or told or taught my wife how to wait for three months at a time for a phone call or to give bi