that's in the dsm v.t talks about needing something to be directly related but it doesn't flesh that out. what we're talking about is the application of that. this would be an odd case to decide that. there's not state consensus on this causation point, the coleman case. we are not aware of any case 23467 the relatedness inquiry was the dispositive point on which an adkins claim was denied. >> well, i'm not sure how i can accept your characterization of the cca decision when basically it's saying his poor intellectual functioning on i.q. tests, which happened when he was younger, were not related to his intellectual abilities. they are related to his poverty, his mohr bidity factors. if they're saying that, how are you saying they weren't finding that he wasn't intellectually disabled because of the other factors? >> well it wasn't just -- >> that's how i read the decision. >> it was relying on testimony. the petitioner -- >> wait a minute. the testimony of compton was having looked at all the i.q. tests

the state must use current medical standards to this standard dsm-5 as compared to older standards, dsm-4. yes or no? >> no, with that wording, your honor. >> then i don't know how you can recover on a question that you can prevail on the question you presented us to. >> because your honor, the question presented talks about prohibiting -- if your honor had said can a state prohibit -- >> i don't understand what you mean by prohibit. you mean prohibit the lower courts from using a standard different from the one that the court of criminal appeals has said is the stand hard to has to be used ef where in texas, so each trial level judge would apply a different standard, whatever that judge thinks is the right one? >> and that the court said prospectively, the law of texas is that you're prohibited from using the current medical standard. >> you think that if this is a question of trial court discretion, the trial court has the discretion to use the newer standards as opposed to the standards that the court of criminal appeals says are the appropriate ones? >> no. i don't think it's discre

under hollen atkins use dsm-v as opposed to older standards, for example, dsm-iv. yes or no? >> no with that wording, your honor. >> then i don't know how you can recover on the question -- you can prevail on the question you presented to us. >> because, your honor, the question presented talks about prohibiting. if your honor had said can a state prohibit -- >> well, i don't understand what you mean by "prohibit." you mean prohibit the lower courts from using a standard different from the one that the court of criminal appeals has said is the standard that has to be used everywhere in texas so each trial level judge would apply a different standard, whatever that judge thinks is the right one? >> and that the court said prospectively the law of texas is you -- that you're prohibited from using the current medical standards. >> you think this is a question of trial court discretion? a trial court has the discretion to use the newer standards as opposed to the -- as opposed to the standards that the court of criminal appeals says are the appropriate ones? >> no, i don't think

the state must use current medical standards to this standard dsm-5 as compared to older standards, dsm-4. yes or no? >> no, with that wording, your honor. >> then i don't know how you can recover on a question that you can prevail on the question you presented us to. >> because your honor, the question presented talks about prohibiting -- if your honor had said can a state prohibit -- >> i don't understand what you mean by prohibit. you mean prohibit the lower courts from using a standard different from the one that the court of criminal appeals has said is the stand hard to has to be used ef where in texas, so each trial level judge would apply a different standard, whatever that judge thinks is the right one? >> and that the court said prospectively, the law of texas is that you're prohibited from using the current medical standard. >> you think that if this is a question of trial court discretion, the trial court has the discretion to use the newer standards as opposed to the standards that the court of criminal appeals says are the appropriate ones? >> no. i don't think it's discre

and the texas courage and now listed navy. >> bed to concede asian hand and led dsm moonves and justfor the record i did not conceive that. besides justice keith and in st. pete or to control and there's a number of factors that the court to deny get to. >> but that will not be executed. but the chief justice initial question presented is an addition to the fact to be woven with those decisions and our reply we repeatedly used of phrase like non clinical or standards and the state with its opposition rested heavily on those factors. and those of our specifically directed to that. that was extensively discussed at the time spirit verify what you said about dsm4 and five because i had a different impression from the regular argument. if we says everybody has to adopt number five in the number six comes out did they all have to go back to reconsider? been making you have to consider the mess the diagnostic tremor. because that represents the scientific method. >> but with regard to intellectual disability. [inaudible] but those factors are all consistent with dsm4. >> they're completely

issue you're dealing with that really but causes and solutions are not perhaps the best way to into the dsm0 years you could get three hundred diagnoses and people are talking willow i'm speaking will have 57 or 10 diagnoses someone like me thirty the feds their psychiatry 19 are slamming more authority away from the authority that is psychiatry any major university you've been involved in the operations for 70 years and you're seeing the tail end of that one example officer was a m k two months before the event and that whole thing happens those red flag situations you know so much i wanted to say the sandy hook prediction program is a total fairs and at the chief in charge of the m k programs for the feinstein instead of having a chief chaplin you have someone - >> oh, yeah sir, your time is up. >> thank you, sir. >> next speaker. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir >> next speaker. good evening and welcome. >> good evening thank you thank you for your doing and trying to do i was alerted to the gentleman speaking about his sister with near tears and my next reaction w

awesome but he was the head of the national institute of mental health and i want to move away from the dsm-v-based diagnosis of brain health. she totally gets it. the major concern though and it's an important one is that people don't begin to discriminate and say people with mental illnesses are violent. we don't want that procession. but you do away with that with brain illness. i'm not saying that somebody that has psychoses, delusions and hallucinations might suffer from schizophrenia, that they aremore violent to themselves . even though they might be. i'm saying that whatever the pathology is that leads to those hallucinations can increasethe risk of violence . and that i think takes away a lot of the fear and trepidation. when you don't know why somebody is acting weird or really crazy, then you are scared. you're on the stairmaster and the body next to you says i need to go take my medication, my cholesterol is out the roof or i'm working out, i've got to eat better. you say i hear you, that stinks but if they are like i've got to take my medication, i'm hearing voices again you're going t

-has served as one of the computers and consultants for the dsm five on gender and cross-cultural issues and is been invited to travel to many countries as a volunteer healthcare professional local national and international levels. i should reveal that in 1984 when i had less greater i was a receptionist at rams. that was 32 years ago in the agency from that time until now is totally different and i think because of his leadership the respect and awareness of the models they developed our nationally and even globally renowned. i'm confident that his vision and leadership will be brought from the richmond district to our whole city as he becomes the director behavioral health services for our city. it's a role he will continue to influence and guide through his compassion culturally competent and multicultural lens to meet the needs of our very diverse communities and especially are disenfranchised and underserved populations. i would like to thank him for the leadership in the richmond, the city for young people, really nurturing and all the staff and board members at rams live talk to

issue you're dealing with that really but causes and solutions are not perhaps the best way to into the dsm0 years you could get three hundred diagnoses and people are talking willow i'm speaking will have 57 or 10 diagnoses someone like me thirty the feds their psychiatry 19 are slamming more authority away from the authority that is psychiatry any major university you've been involved in the operations for 70 years and you're seeing the tail end of that one example officer was a m k two months before the event and that whole thing happens those red flag situations you know so much i wanted to say the sandy hook prediction program is a total fairs and at the chief in charge of the m k programs for the feinstein instead of having a chief chaplin you have someone - >> oh, yeah sir, your time is up. >> thank you, sir. >> next speaker. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir >> next speaker. good evening and welcome. >> good evening thank you thank you for your doing and trying to do i was alerted to the gentleman speaking about his sister with near tears and my next reaction w

-has served as one of the computers and consultants for the dsm five on gender and cross-cultural issues and is been invited to travel to many countries as a volunteer healthcare professional local national and international levels. i should reveal that in 1984 when i had less greater i was a receptionist at rams. that was 32 years ago in the agency from that time until now is totally different and i think because of his leadership the respect and awareness of the models they developed our nationally and even globally renowned. i'm confident that his vision and leadership will be brought from the richmond district to our whole city as he becomes the director behavioral health services for our city. it's a role he will continue to influence and guide through his compassion culturally competent and multicultural lens to meet the needs of our very diverse communities and especially are disenfranchised and underserved populations. i would like to thank him for the leadership in the richmond, the city for young people, really nurturing and all the staff and board members at rams live talk to

-has served as one of the computers and consultants for the dsm five on gender and cross-cultural issues and is been invited to travel to many countries as a volunteer healthcare professional local national and international levels. i should reveal that in 1984 when i had less greater i was a receptionist at rams. that was 32 years ago in the agency from that time until now is totally different and i think because of his leadership the respect and awareness of the models they developed our nationally and even globally renowned. i'm confident that his vision and leadership will be brought from the richmond district to our whole city as he becomes the director behavioral health services for our city. it's a role he will continue to influence and guide through his compassion culturally competent and multicultural lens to meet the needs of our very diverse communities and especially are disenfranchised and underserved populations. i would like to thank him for the leadership in the richmond, the city for young people, really nurturing and all the staff and board members at rams live talk to

-has served as one of the computers and consultants for the dsm five on gender and cross-cultural issues and is been invited to travel to many countries as a volunteer healthcare professional local national and international levels. i should reveal that in 1984 when i had less greater i was a receptionist at rams. that was 32 years ago in the agency from that time until now is totally different and i think because of his leadership the respect and awareness of the models they developed our nationally and even globally renowned. i'm confident that his vision and leadership will be brought from the richmond district to our whole city as he becomes the director behavioral health services for our city. it's a role he will continue to influence and guide through his compassion culturally competent and multicultural lens to meet the needs of our very diverse communities and especially are disenfranchised and underserved populations. i would like to thank him for the leadership in the richmond, the city for young people, really nurturing and all the staff and board members at rams live talk to