. >> i see i came to dsr in the 60s. 68, and 73 and was president of alumna association, not the trustees i said earlier and made a mistake there so i did not know of your tenure here in the 90s. >> no. >> and then i went on the lancaster theological seminary 8 years as president there and then i have come back. i am a retread >> i think we were pleased and blessed to have you. we looked around the country for different persons a lot of people emerged but when your name emerged everyone was just pleased to have you come back. >> tell them send checks then. >> that is one of the challenges of seminary education, right? >> that's right. >> some of the ways we will talk about approaching that in the next segment but what have you found the most challenging in being back as president? >> all across the united states you have free standing seminaries. maybe 245 in north america. they are not connected to universities or colleges but independent institutions but a vast majority of them are under capitalized. they are always having financial struggles. that is one issue the other is that many de