, when many people would say karl rove has been the problem from, well, since 2000 when he brought dubya in. >> i love the way you call him the cuckoo's nest. karl rove's whole strategy is he found a way to convince the cuckoo's nest that george w. bush was their guy. and to convince evangelicals that george w. bush was your guy. and convince the business wing of the party and say george w. bush is your guy. he sold them a bill of goods, and what they got back was medicare part d, a ballooning deficit, and a financial crisis that devastated the country, a failed war -- a war in iraq that was ill-advised to put it mildly, and now the cuckoo's nest who he cultivated as the ground troops, the shock troops to win elections in 2000 and 2004, they think they're in charge and they're not going to listen to him saying they're not. >> what was the big thing with karl rove? did he start a war to celebrate the tax cut or have a tax cut to celebrate the war. i mean, he put it all together. joy put it right. i forgot to mention the prescription drug thing thrown in without financing it. >> right, rig