it's called "growing up duggar." case. i love how honest you are and you talk about really things we can all use like the way your dad, jim bob, and mom, michelle, raised you. the obedience game. will one you share with us how that worked and how it has gone from childhood to your adult life? >> it was really fun when we were little. they would teach us to be obedient, you know, building good character by telling one of us, you know, go touch the boy's bed and run and go touch the front door and come back, and then now like it just -- it's just a little way, and they still do it with the little kids but it's a fun way for them to learn good character and quick obedience. you know, if it's not instant, it's not obedience at all and then it plays over into other areas of life. >> it sort of was like simon says. >> yeah. >> where you didn't even realize it. how do you think that's helped you develop your character as women? >> i think it's really just like overall the character that our parents have instilled in us from