dukakis lost and repeal the because they knew it would very badly damaged the massachusetts economy. so they did what to do. they can only do obamacare nationally. you could never do it state by state in the manner in which he did it. they would be too devastating. >> host: even vermont didn't pass single-payer. >> guest: vermont said no to doing it at the state level. this is the advantage, tax advantage that free market limited government republicans, then returned reagan republicans have which is they can try things out at the state level. school choice, and when one state does it the argument that the world ends if you give parents parental choice in education, or you don't have an income tax or you right to work or you don't have government unions in the public sector. it works better and you can check that. then you run for president on that background. we now have more than 30 republican governors, 24 states with a republican governor republican house and a republican senate with half the countries population in those 24 red states the democrats have seven states that they wen

i was politically acve in college and i worked on the dukakis campaign. i was always looking for a way to take things i care about and put them into action. the surprise for me was it led to a career in business. in college that isot where i thought change happened. the surprise for me has been that business has been a way to change the diet, change the way agriculture works, change the y the developing world has an effect on labor standards. rebecca: and your partner yale, he went to yell school at management -- went to the ale school of management to make profits -- seth: we looked at the competitive dynamics and that is where this idea for a beverage emerged. rebecca: y were working at the investment, nt for a run couldn't find the drink you wanted and came back and said lolook at that case study. let's do this. seth: the serendipity was he was just in india and he's been ststudying the tea industry. rebecca: you followed a path that many us -- many go after yale. you are able to have an impact here because you were working on sustainable investment. s

a more palatable alternative to ronald reagan and ran a brutal campaign against democrat michael dukakis. hillary clinton will have to put distance between herself and barack obama and get tough on the more extreme elements of the republican party. jeb bush might be running himself. hillary clinton and not him will take his father as a role model. annette: controversy in turkey over the pope's mention of the armenian genocide. oliver: this template has a headline on its front page -- "pope 1915 crisis." the minister of foreign affairs summons the vatican ambassador in ankara and says they are straying from the facts. in the english edition it says the pope was only citing a statement that had previously been signed by his predecessor pope john paul ii in 2001. it notes that while a number of countries have recognized the genocide but not the united states, and he wonders if the armenians will try to get barack obama to mention the genocide. thus far he is only using the armenian expression for the great calamity because he does not want to upset turkey, which could freeze military cooper

if he would support the death penalty if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered.he three murdered. the three women happens to be three women panelists and a male moderator. we we had urged bernie earlier in the day not to ask that question. teefor bernie shaw. >> guest: bernie shaw. we thought it was a got you question by using the governor his wife's name it made it into is the personal and as we sat there you could see in the dark behind us there was a large audience. and bernie asked that question we heard a gasp come from the audience behind us. i think debates are important, and i important, and i think the panel debates, although they are dinosaurs now i think they i think they are good because the journalists can ask a question that the pres. could not get around or vice president cannot get around. he had to answer. he he has already said no knew taxes, taxes are going up. i can understand why town hall debates are so popular. you like to have questions, but questions, but they would more often ask will you keep my taxes low not giving the candidate any in

i'm wearing all this manly spandex or mandex as i like to call it-- if you don't know i promised if dukakis won the n.c.a.a. championship i'd host the show in spandex. and as someone pointed out earlier, why did i do that if i was the boss? ( laughter ) thank you very much for pointing that out. now here we are i'm taiging my medicine. i'm taking it, right? i'm doing it inspect. i'm doing it. this is what i had to do. ( applause ) it's all right. it's elect oop-- i want to thank all the members of the audience who wore spandex out of solidarity. let's turn on the spandex-cam. yeah. ♪ ♪ ♪ that's what we're talking about. that's my fanned-ex people of thank you guys so much. i really appreciate all your support. okay, now -- >> hey larry. we need to stop for a second. >> larry: oh, shoot, i'm sorry. that's our director dre. what happened? what do we do? >> i hate to do this, larry, but we're having trouble with your microphone. there's another over at stage left. could you go grab it for us please. ( laughter ) ( cheers ) lawyer. >> larry:.>> larry: i mean, i guess but it seems like an odd re

susan estridge, fox news contributor, campaign manager for michael dukakis and his 1988 presidentialaign. good to see you as always. >> good to see you. >> both states indiana and arkansas, put their religious freedom restoration acts on the books and bam. why do you think everything they went through shows that the system does work? >> well, because a few years ago people were tripping over themselves trying to pass laws that denied equal rights, they were called special privileges. but they're essentially equal rights to people based on sexual orientation. there was talk even in the liberal community that this was a dangerous issue, that putting gay marriage on the ballot may have cost some democrats their seats. there was real worry still in the democratic party as recently as a decade ago that the gay rights issue was hurting us, the gay marriage issue was hurting us. prop 8 passed. and now here we are a decade later and you've got two conservative states doing tap dances to reassure business groups and gay and lesbian groups and political groups and major power players that no,

sweet of him to say i was the best looking greek but then who do you have, you have zach michael dukakisany pictures did you take with him? there you are again with him. >> it was strange. he talked to me a long time. what are you going? i said i'm doing a new pilot for fox. somebody squeaked about fox and said, hold on, mr. stamos is an entertainer. i don't do impresses but tonight i will. >> jimmy: all right. >> is he an entertainer, entertainment department. not a newscaster stamos. he's an entertainer. thank you, mr. president. he is defending me. >> jimmy: i would like if you were a newscaster. wouldn't that be funny if you showed up on the news one day. >> yeah. >> jimmy: i want to ask you about -- we need to take a break but -- >> but. >> jimmy: no, what happened? >> can i finish the president story? >> jimmy: yes, you can finish the president's story. i thought it was over. >> it should have been. it is long. i'm walking out. here's the deal, i'm walking out through the back and all of a sudden i hear stamos and it's the president. he says let's get a proper picture. that's the o

he didn't mean kinder and gentler than mike dukakis.e meant than ronald reagan a honored huh he conducted the last campaign on the willy horton stuff. the difficulty for secretary clinton is that she does not want to be the third term barack obama, definitely. on the other hand -- >> she can't say that. >> she can't criticize. >> she can't say that. >> she even has a special difficulty. >> does she want to be bill clinton's third term? are you sure? >> she would be delighted to be bill clinton's third term. >> you think so? >> she may be bill clinton's third term. we were in different economic times. barack obama is a different thing. she cannot insult barack obama because she can't insult african-american voters. >> will she be like clinton? free trade, reform different programs? >> free trade, yeah. >> she'll go with that yes? she'll go with tpp, the big trade thing? >> i think, i mean you can ask her but i think she'd go for that. that fits her -- >> that's the questions i would ask and she doesn't have to answer them for the first w

he sort of handed it to dukakis. it is worth noting in the middle of that.ere polls that showed him 17 points ahead of bush. despite a strong approval rating for reagan there was in that campaign a strong aptidepetite for change. after eight years, how much is that appetite there for hillary clinton, for the idea of giving the other party a chance. you look at the climate right now, obama's approval rating sitting at 48%. not as high as clintons was or reagans was. the bottom hasn't fallen out. the approvalunemployment rate has fallen to 5.5%. it could go either way. this could be strong enough to give hillary clinton that third term or it may not be strong enough. what is the biggest obstacle for hillary clinton? i think it is after eight years of one party in control, history says this country starts to flirt with the other party. will that pattern be broken? >>> still ahead. wall street's surprising reaction to comments like this from hillary clinton. >> and there is something wrong when hedge fund managers pay lower tax rates than nurses or the truckers

bush said of dukakis, the united states is just country. that is not a philosophy that should be running the country. >> [indiscernible] >> hello, ambassador. the question is, how do you feel about vladimir putin when he said the conditions that led the russians to go into crimea on behalf of the ethnic russians in crimea also exist in the baltic states? he also said that he opposes nato to install any air defenses or any equipment into the baltic states or even the conducting of exercises in the baltic states. bolton: this is a direct challenge to the nato alliance. he thinks our response could be weak. it might be worth it to challenge us over the territory of a nato member like the baltics. he could pull back easily if he gets resistance. he sees the opportunity to shatter the nato alliance. i have negotiated with him. everything you see about him being a tough guy is true. this is a man who knows his own mind. he said the last time he was president, the breakup of the soviet union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th ce

when he ran on kinder gentler, not the mikial dukakis but kinder gentler than ronald reagan. >> that'sly on the domestic agenda she's got to say, okay we've made some progress. we have ways to go. focus in on the working family issues that she has talked about in the past. on the for roaneeign policy that's where they split. she has hawkish roots. i'm not sure where she breaks with obama says i do things differently foreign and abroad. i would have done this decision differently. i think her biggest problem is not what she's going to do because it doesn't excite people, she wants to present herself as someone who can manage a job better than anyone else. i'm not sure that's something you can put into a speech. >> i think her toughest challenge is to pivot off of elizabeth warren. she has to either go with free trade with the president on tpp, she's a new yorker or if she doesn't. if she goes with the unions on both fronts that will seem more like yeah, yeah, yeah, the old democratic line push the buttons. if she goes with reform on trade or on education she seems like a modern person.