i was on the 1988 bush/dukakis campaign on the bush side. i would say the top half is exactly not true, not how he was perceived. the bottom half is exactly how dukakis was perceived, from our point of view. i remember being -- i remember having a t-shirt that said, beware of greeks wearing lifts. there was a lot of joking about the difference in height between governor dukakis and president bush. president bush was 6'2" or 6'3". i remember there was a saturday night live skit because dukakis after dark. it played on this, that there was this other side to michael dukakis that nobody saw or knew about. but on the top side, though, i would say the left side of what they try to sell is exactly what we all perceived in george bush. a war hero, 58 combat missions, and lifelong public i was making a documentary about president bush, and david mccullough says that it takes 50 years for historians to render judgment on a president, and how glad he was to see that historians had come around on george bush and given him the credit that he truly deser

i remember there is a saturday light live skit called dukakis after dark. and it played upon this -- that there was this other side to michael dukakis that nobody sawyer knew about. but on the top side, though, i would say the left side of what they tried to sell is exactly what we all perceived in george bush. a war hero, 58 combat missions, and lifelong public servant. i met david mccullough when i was making a documentary as president bush. david mccullough said to me takes about 50 years for historians to render judgment on a president and how glad he was to see that historians had come around on george bush and given him the credit that he truly deserved and that george bush was alive to see it, and so i do think that he was admired widely, especially by the time he died, and so i do think the top of this is not accurate. i also realize i'm a little biased. >> let's see if this is on. yeah, so what's being portrayed here, one of the challenges by the way for the panel is that for many of you we don't need to explain what the references are in these car

he's stronger than du dukakis ws in 1988, i'll tell you that. molly: you know, it is a really challenging time with the protests in the street. i've had a lot of conversations with fellow parents about how do you explain everything that's going on to your children. shifting to the economy for just a moment, the june jobs report comes out. i mean, pretty stellar numbers as far as jobs being added, 4.8 million. the unemployment rate, that is still tough. and here we are in the midst of various states reopen offing, not reopening, scaling back, moving forward, regarding the coronavirus. what do these numbers really mean right now as we continue to deal with covid-19? >> once again, molly, the numbers for june were very, very encouraging and very strong. record drops in unemployment. record job creation of almost 5 million jobs. but july, even the fed predicts is not going to be the same because of the coronavirus spike and the extent to which those countries -- those states in the sun belt, which were traditionally the strong economic states, are n

there was a lot of joking about the difference in height between governor dukakis and president bush. i remember there was a saturday night lift skit, that played on this there was the other side to michael due -- is exactly what perceived in george bush. a war hero, 58 combat missions, and lifelong public servant, and i met david mucull k mccullough said it takes about 50 years for historians to render judgment on a president and how glad he was to see that historians had come around on george bush and given him the credit he truly deserved, and that george bush was alive to see it. and so i do think that he was admired widely, especially by the time he died. and so i do think the top of this is not accurate, but i also realize i'm a little biased. >> see if this is on. yeah. so what's been portrayed here, one of the challenges, by the way, for the panel is for many of you, we don't need to explain what the references are in these cartoons because you get -- many of you probably remember, oh, they're talking about the wimp factor. they're talking about bush is a wimp. for young peopl

michael dukakis tomorrow.llo, everybody i'm jesse watters, greg gutfeld, one williams, 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." president trump ripping into democrats and calling out the supreme court after a pair of decision on taxes, the high court ruling, the president does not have absolute immunity from prosecution and that a new york district attorney can subpoena his tax returns. and then a separate case the supreme court blocking house democrats from getting their hands on trumps financial records hear it for now.

even michael dukakis was at his funeral. a lot of national politicians, when they heard the news, they make statements about how important willie was due the political process and getting minorities involved in the political process. in 1995, president clinton posthumously awarded willie the presidential medal of freedom. here, we have the invitation to mrs. velasquez for the ceremony awarding him the presidential medal of freedom. the collection and organization is not only important to san antonio, not only to the southwest, because they did work all across the southwest, not just texas, but it is important nationally. what they have been able to do in terms of increasing mexican-american voter registration, also having an influence on how politicians, how many mexican-american politicians we have in office now, they have made a huge impact on getting out the vote to minority communities. watch this and other programs on the history of communities across the country at c-span.org/citiestour. this is american history tv, on

bush running against dukakis and the numbers look. within dukakis but that ridiculous helmet on right remember him putting the the tank helmet on his head and course h.w. bush won i'm not seeing that here i got to ask you something you know i've always had a theory that they would play the fear card and they are playing the fear card in a big way and you know you've got. biden wants to do it police department where you know there's mass pandemonium in the streets and that obviously worked for nixon yeah because nixon was running against the guy where that was going he was the outside he was the outsider yeah i might be wrong about this tell me why my baby well. you'll notice so trump is tried several things to try to pin things on by trying to find where there's a foothold he has now settled on he is the law and order candidate so that is who he is sending in these these federal troops to portland that kind of goes along with that. it it's a hope but the challenge there pat is like you said so he is the law and order candide it agains

former president mike dukakis can tell you that. also ask president hillary clinton. back with us tonight, pulitzer prize-winning historian, presidential biographer jon meacham. happens to be the host of a very thoughtful and timely new podcast called "hope through history," a five-part audio documentary series exploring other trying times in american history, like the polio vaccine, which couldn't be more timely for now, and how our country dealt with those crises. he is also the author of "his truth is marching on: john lewis and the power of hope." there's the cover, a revealing portrait of the now late georgia congressman, which comes out next month, and we can't wait to discuss that project with jon. jon, remind our audience in political terms, kind of like dog age, just how long is 100 days? >> it's endless, and you talk about president dukakis and president hillary clinton. i first heard that formulation on election day 1980. i remember seeing a clip of ronald reagan voting, and on the way out, i wanted to say it was sam donaldson, but that might be an embroide

michael dukakis tomorrow. and now "the five." ♪ >> jesse: hello, everybody i'm jesse watters, greg gutfeld, one williams, 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." president trump ripping into democrats and calling out the supreme court after a pair of decision on taxes, the high court ruling, the president does not have absolute immunity from prosecution and that a new york district attorney can subpoena his tax returns. and then a separate case the supreme court blocking house democrats from getting their hands on trumps financial records hear it for now. both of those cases are being thrown back to the lower courts. here is the president's reaction. >> this is a political witch hunt, the likes that nobody has seen before. it is a pure witch hunt, the hoax just like a mueller investigation is a hoax that i won. this is another hoax from a purely political. i win at the federal level and we won decisively as they said in new york. you know what's going on in new york. everybody is leaving and it has turne

they're not going to have -- this is not a situation where you have mike dukakis.his is a situation where a lot of people's opinions are baked into the cake, and they see what is going on. they see the utter lack of leadership we have here, and now they're seeing the whole thing collapse around them. and you can see it in the polling. you can see it in the way that the republicans are acting and attacking each other. can you believe they're attacking liz cheney, dick cheney's daughter? i never thought i'd see anything like this in my life. so, no, i don't think there's any way that they come back from this. and i still think there's a significant chance that he's going to really have to evaluate whether or not he wants to do this again. >> to our viewers just joining us, you have not accidentally consumed the funny kind of mushrooms. that is indeed james carville. we're having a bit of a problem with wi-fi strength. he has agreed kindly to stay with us through this commercial break. we will continue our conversation on the other side. >>> and coming up, the many re

as we go to brake, 1988, democratic presidential nominee michael dukakis, big lead in the polls that, michael dukakis had a 17-point lead when he was nominated, ended up losing to george h.w. bush. an electoral landslide. 32 years ago tonight, he accepted the nomination in the democratic convention. >> tonight with the wind at our backs, with friends in our sides and with courage in our hearts, the race to the finish line begins. and we are going to win this race. we are going to win this race. for as little as $5, now anyone can own companies in the s&p 500, even if their shares cost more. at $5 a slice, you could own ten companies for $50 instead of paying thousands. all commission free online. schwab stock slices: an easy way to start investing or to give the gift of stock ownership. schwab. own your tomorrow. can leave you holding your breath. ♪ but bristol myers squibb is working to change things. by researching new kinds of medicines that could help you live longer. including options that are chemo-free. because we're committed to bringing new hope into lung cancer care. ♪ >> b

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leland: we don't have a statue or library for president dukakis. >> correct. a couple things.ou say, george hw bush was not an incumbent president. second, that dukakis lead was a moment terry lead the day after -- moment c'ary lead after the convention. i take comfort from trump supporters saying oh, well this is going to go away. they did the exact same thing in 2018 when all the generic ballots had democrats winning by unprecedented numbers and guess what, they did. that's how they flipped the house. the notion that somehow, well, biden's not getting the support of people, they're not enthusiastic for him, unlike trump supporters guess what, nancy pelosi is speaker of the house because democrats and independents were profoundly enthusiastic about not voting for donald trump's party. leland: it's interesting that you bring up the issue of the enthusiasm gap. the journal sentinel in mill walky, wisconsin, -- milwaukee, wisconsin, the main paper for the state, their headline on july 4th. biden's voter enthusiasm is limited. we've seen this in the polls. it's something democrat

why do you think that won't work against joe biden the way it worked against michael dukakis? >> well, basically the question in '88 was, would you like a third term of ronald reagan? the answer was, more people would like that than not. the problem essentially that trump has, incumbent -- races tend to be about the incumbent. all this stuff, donald trump is great at promising and terrible at delivering. it's been true all his life. so now they're confused about this. you hear it. they're running pictures of donald trump, america, and saying this is what it will be like if joe biden is president, and what it is like when donald trump is president. listen, i saw this poll where -- the monmouth poll, donald trump had a very unfavorable 48%. i've never seen anything like that. that's sort of like eastern bloc countries. so the hardest thing, politics is very unfavorable at moving the vote for you. his margin of error is going to be very, very small. they're going to try to basically get every white vote that they can. they're going to run, and i think are running, a racially char

i hasten to add very early at this time michael dukakis had the big league. we had him on talking about. that they were already talking about who he would populate his cabinet with. he didn't have to worry about that in the end. we're moderating this. it is a concern for some. look to make money wall street. i said it so many times, you're sick of hearing it. they're not red, or blue, they're green. they love money, money. blake burman loves money, hides it carefully as young reporter, enterprising young man. obviously the folks in the building behind you, blake, they're concerned about the status of these polls they have made some switches in the campaign staff, haven't they? reporter: as big after switch that the trump campaign can possibly make because it was late last night that when the announcement came down, brad parscale, who had been in the roll of campaign manager for trump campaign 16 months would no longer hold the title. we should no one ever held that role as long as parscale did, no one back in 2016. he had the title for fairly long period of t

perhaps more interesting was the battle for 2nd for a while it looked like francesco bug team promised dukakis would get on the podium for the 1st time ever he got past yamaha teammates valentino rossi and maverick knowledge only to see his bike start trailing smoke forcing him to retire then it was up to the 2 yamaha drivers to battle it out for 2nd italian rushy was impressive here but his spanish teammate banal has passed him on the penultimate lap to take 2nd and hand the italian 3rd winner court tomorrow said the heat played havoc on the track so tough because you know to make 25 laps in front with these temperatures i think was the hottest. race of my life honestly it was so hot. in 0 ad or so in my head and my feet was so hot so really difficult but honestly i felt really good on the bike toronto now claims his 2nd successive win and this coronavirus steal a championship after taking the spanish g.p. at the same yet as track last weekend. another bite of the top stories we're following for you of the moment u.s. marines of the of the american flag of the consulate in the chinese city of

that was michael dukakis who was the 88 democratic presidential nominee.ding in the polls a good while. in fact had leads much bigger than the ones joe biden showing "real clear politics" average. shows him up over nine points on president trump. again and again, history proven snapshots in time. otherwise john kerry would be president of the united states. hillary clinton would be president of the united states. otherwise donald trump would have never gotten the republican nomination or jimmy carter gotten the democratic nomination in 1976. time and again things we're reminded can change, time and again. john bussey, "wall street journal." rochelle, what governor dukakis is saying that joe biden doesn't sit idly by to think he has a layup. what do you think about that? >> this is absolutely right this is not a time for joe biden to sit back he has this in the bag because he doesn't. yes he is gaining on donald trump, leading in the polls. as we saw in 2016. it is not over until it is over. what people forget about jimmy carter in 1976, his main focus was

was posting nonpartizan debase and then in 1988 the 2 candidates george bush the 1st and michael dukakis were making demands on the legal limbo as a legal limbo or said that's not acceptable to us so the 2 parties form with sounds like a government commission is called the commission on presidential debates in fact it's a private corporation they jointly control and it's designed to keep their competitors off the stage and you know our appeal to the news organizations in a civic organizations is don't let the 2 parties set the agenda do your job open up the debate least of the candidates who have enough ballot lines to potentially win the electoral college and the presidency which in this election would be for artists the size of democrats or republicans who would be the greens in the libertarians american people deserve to know what all their options are. the argument often is that the greens are more politically aligned towards the democrats and then there's the concern that you might split the vote and hand donald trump and easy to get back into the white house what's your response to

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looking at this race, if you remember, back in 1988, george bush was losing substantially to michael dukakisd the same time. if you remember in september, that was the launch of the willie horton ad, a highly charged racial add that was meant to invoke fear and apprehension about voting for democrats. i'm not saying that that kind of tactic will be used -- my guess something along those lines will , there ismy point is time enough for a campaign to inject certain tactics that are meant to excite voters that they previously had not been excited. i think when you have a change in personnel in the way that you have, it is meant to do those kinds of shakeups of the organization, the infrastructure. david: always a pleasure to have you with us, basil smikle, former executive director of the new york state democratic party. now it is time for first word news with mark crumpton. the u.k. prime minister boris johnson is nudging britons to go back to their offices in an attempt to revive the economy. he sent starting august 1, employers will have more discretion to bring workers back in. scientificto

skillful restraint and he campaigned was one of the most restraints in terms of the successful attack on dukakis i thought his restraint was notable for him. but certainly nobody has all 17. >> the thing about the president mike what are you hiring them to do? you make the point you hired them to do something neither you nor they know what they have to do. you talk about recommendations. higher for black swan. what does that mean? >> that comes from a conversation with secretary of state condoleezza rice when i was talking to her. i start almost every interview by saying if the campaign was a job interview what would you want to know for many of these candidates? and doctor rice said i want to know what they thought the black swan would be of their presidency and how they would solve it. so in the course of doing interviews around this time i was fixated on cyberwarfare and cyberattack. this book was finished before covid-19 was on the radar screen. frankly i thought it would be a cyberattack likely. so the idea behind that question which by the way i would ask in a debate but the problem is i h

i can remember when you know, mike dukakis was cruising in september with a ten-point lead and all of a sudden wham, wham, wham, he didn't do well in his campaign, his ads and the next thing you know, he was not the confident miracle worker from massachusetts. he was a f. we have a long way to go. the democrats have got on the back of a tiger and they think they can write it for their benefit. i'm not sure they can. these people are capable of anything anytime, anywhere. >> laura: imagine if they have the justice department to terrorize people. now, they have people at a bridge stopping cars and throwing, you know, roman candles shooting them at federal officials. imagine when they have the full force of the justice department to harass every american who doesn't go along with their nonsense. that is what people have to start thinking about. victor, it's always great to see you. thank you so much tonight. and as violence continues to rock chicago, i have a question, where is al sharpton? where is blm? ahead of them powerful pairing, the head of fraternal order of police and southside

it would be as though george herbert walker bush attacked dukakis for being a member of the aclu. or if barack obama took after mitt romney for bain capital from the rose garden. so the bigger problem is not just the lack of decor rum, but the president right now is using his omnipresence and presidential power to continue to erode his political , every official act he takes as president is making him less politically -- more politically weak and less politically stable. i don't think i've ever seen in 30 years covering incumbent presidents covering elections. quite astonishes. >> he clearly rushed out of there. he used as much time as he could doing his own remarks. didn't want to get questions from you or other reporters. so he never got a question about what he knew about intelligence reports indicating that russia was paying to kill american soldiers, and a whole list of other things that he avoided by rushing out of there as quickly as he did. and promising as he was leaving that he was going to do more of these, that will be -- that are essentially campaigntuties for you to

just to give you a big picture look back. 42 years ago tonight, michael dukakis accepted the democraticomination for the democratic party for president. a short time after that, he was 17 points up on george h.w. bush. 17 points up. he went on to lose a big election that wasn't even close. so that all changed in this time from this due november 3rd. we've got a lot of ways to go. >> trace: bret baier, the anchor of special report. to see you tonight, thank you. next, the push to get kids back in classrooms and what lawmakers are doing to make it happen saferl.. the patented blend is clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels. it provides 60% more protein than the leading diabetes nutrition shake. try boost glucose control. >> trace: with a number of covid-19 deaths topping 140,000 here in the usa men more than 3 million cases, a new study shows the numbers could be much higher than we thought. it's good to jonathan serrie live for us in atlanta, the home of the cdc. >> the numbers could be as much as ten times higher according to a new report from the cdc. what they did was they

way back machine of "the new york times" of 1988, when they predicted that then governor michael dukakis george h.w. bush by a massive total of 55-38%, they are wrong every time, but only wrong when it counts for the left. they never give this president credit. >> trace: it is not an exact science, 538, going to put this on the screen come over the past month, biden's lead over trump has been stable and unusually large, admitting the unpopular handling of the protest that followed the police killing of george floyd. biden hovered with a tight ban of six percentage points since mid-june, according to 538 national polling average, but listen, also showing the polls, he is tied with the joe biden in florida. a significant because he was down and narrowing the ground in pennsylvania. your thoughts. speak of the truth is that national polls do not matter in the battleground states of pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, florida, donald trump won all of those states in the last election. when they said he was not going to. florida is always a battleground. donald trump only won by 113,000 votes in 2

they'll go to four years earlier and show you the 17-point lead michael dukakis had after the atlanta and how long that lasts. great stuff as always, sir. thank you. >>> so with tourism severely limited this summer, a new ad campaign from iceland is asking you to visit virtually. by sharing your screens. [ screaming ] >> you know, there's a lot of fun ad campaigns trying to get at life in a virtual zone, things like that. that's a good one. kudos, iceland. you're not just a place to go to be a set for game of thrones these days. anyway, looks like you need iceland.com, and they promise to pump up your screens into their stunning wilderness. that wraps it up for me. i'll see you back here at 5:00 p.m. eastern for "meet the press" daily, my friend chris jansing pings up the coverage after this quick break. ter thisk frustrated that clean clothes you want to wear always seem to need an iron? try bounce wrinkle guard dryer sheets. the bounce wrinkle guard shorts have fewer wrinkles and static, and more softness. it's the world's first mega sheet that does the job of three dryer sheets! bo

you know, we've seen this before, george bush 41 in 1988 ran on burning the flag and mike dukakis and horton, who played on racial tensions. the problem with the strategy, though is, when you don't have a great record, you make it about the other guy. and donald trump is incapable of making it about the other guy. he has to make it about himself. so they've got a little bit of a self-defeating strategy going on there. and, you know, it's -- you never know, but it's -- i don't see this working. >> well, the big difference between 1988 and 2020 is there were no pressing, giant, life and death national issues in that election. it's a glaring difference, compared to 2020, when you have a pandemic, alexi. and now you have this pandemic which is affecting states like texas and florida and arizona, maybe places that the president's message might have had an impact before. but i'm just not sure that the audience, the broader audience beyond his base is receptive to what he's saying. >> i mean, one thing we know to be true, the numbers do not lie. if you look at polling time and time again in

we should also point out dukakis endorsed early on elizabeth warren in 2020. remember president dukakis? 53-38 in the national polls in 1988 against george h.w. bush. turns out those polls not reflective about how the people felt of the reagan era. very important warning. griff: indeed. turning now to your headlines starting with a fox news alert. a police officer in ohio is killed in the line of duty overnight. officer anthony dea was shot in a home depot parking lot while responding to a disturbance call. the mayor says his death is a stark reminder of the sacrifice officers make every day. >> please take time today and reflect on not just his sacrifice but on the sacrifice that the men behind me make every day putting their lives on the line to protect the citizens of the city and this country. griff: police say the man who fired was drunk. he was able to fire back killing the suspect. officer leaves behind a wife and 2-year-old child. our thoughts and prayers with that family. also breaking overnight. two run over by a car in seattle. can you see the white

jean covered the 1988 election, the one in which george bush defeated michael dukakis and barbara bush took a liking to her which is not surprising. and she invited jean to serve as her deputy press secretary. jean spent four years in the white house, from '89 to january of '93. george obviously took a liking to her, too. he made her his chief of staff. the job that she held until he died. it's safe to say that nobody knew george and barbara bush better than jean, and i think i would include the bush family in that. the birthday parachute jumps, the humanitarian collaborations with bill clinton. she was a party to all of it. if not orchestrating all of it. and she was one of the handful of people at his bedside when he died. the beautiful little memorial services that you all saw back in december, they were planned and executed by jean. now, you my not know it, you probably don't, but jean has written or edited five books? >> hmm, i think so. >> as she points out, none with her name on it. one was barbara's memoirs published in 1995. another a book of george bush's writing s other lett

people didn't know who michael dukakis was. remember my dad seeing him mow his lawn and saying i might vote for him, then a minute later, no. but people know who donald trump is, who joe biden is. i know people are thinking, if you look at the polls and see a lot of biden support es are coming out and motivated to vote specifically because they're going to vote against donald trump. they look at that as good news. it's really not. it's just like all the women we saw standing in the rain in northern virginia who told reporters they were going to stand in the rain as long as it took to vote in a gubernatorial race to send a message to donald trump. you look at 2018, a historic sweep for the democratic party, getting more votes, winning more votes over congressional republicans more than any time in the history of america. it wasn't that the democrats put up these wonderful candidates in 2018. there were good ones, it was that people were motivated to go out and vote against donald trump. and jonathan lemire, you look at these num

since michael dukakis, it's a bad word. no politician wants to be called a liberal anymore. all polls show -- and i think that is the way we should treat feminism. all polls show that the american to be calledwant feminists. it is not a good word. it is a bad word. is everything they stand for bad and instructive. and it starts from the point of trying to paint american women as victims and that is just nonsense. american women are the most fortunate people who ever lived on this earth. prof. factor: let us take a question from one of our cadets. cadet melon. >> talking earlier about the republican party before the entrance of the profamily movement. you said the garden-variety republican had very libertarian views. so what role did the profamily movement have in kind of overriding that libertarian view within the republican party? does thatimitations have for the future of the republican party? i think theafly: pro-family people came into the party with the stop e.r.a. movement and the pro-life movement. and it's not that the republican >> i think the pro-family people came

neil: i'm old enough to remember, going back 32 years, around this time michael dukakis had a 20 plushe breaking economy. it's a little different. but you are so right. one other thing, by the way. watch thursday. bids for the mets come in. steve cohen is hovering and watching those bids. he may come in at the last minute and win the deal. just keep an eye on the mets as well. neil: i've got a lot going on because i'm doing my virtual town hall. so i really don't have time. got to prioritize here. all right, my friend. charlie: i will keep you appr e apprisappris apprised no matter what. neil: you always do. he breaks more business stories than anyone on the planet. i'm not saying that just because he's a great journalist which he is or that he's italian-american, which he is, which is a relief, but he just does. he might grate on some of you, i hear the nasty stuff, he's the best. a lot of you who criticize him and by extension, sometimes criticize me, we are human beings. we take it personally. more after this. ♪ (vo) we're all moving at our own speed. from essential workers... to f

i had michael dukakis here, the former massachusetts governor, '88 democratic presidential nominee who20-point-plus lead in the polls and that all evaporated. his message, leon, don't make the same mistake i did, joe. what do you think of that? >> well, look, you know, right now i think the main tactic is to met the president self-destruct and -- to let the president self-destruct and, actually, that's worked pretty well so far. but it's not a tactic that you should just rely on because i think this thing can change very quickly. and so the result is that i think joe has to continue to present positions to the country. he's got to provide a vision as to where he wants to take the united states of america, and i think he's, you know, he's been doing some of that, and it's been an important step to try to make sure that it isn't a defensive ball game, but it's an offensive ball game. in the end, i think if you're running for president you have to be aggressive, and you have to present a clear idea to the american people of the kind of country that you want to have. i think, frankly, one

the anniversary of the widest poll lead that dukakis had, there is a ton of time between now and thelection but right now, biden is well positioned senate democrats are positioned to make it run and a democratic sweep its something that market should be paying attention to >> thanks very much. >> thank you >> still ahead, we'll get more reaction to the senate ren stimulus planned when we are joined by steve scalise. that is still to come. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> welcome back time for a cnbc update >> hello, everyone here's what's happening at this hour the university of notre dame has pulled out of hosting the first presidential debate. the university president says needed help precautions "greatly diminish the educational value of hosting the debate on our campus." that debate will now be hosted by case western university and the cleveland clinic >>> california's governor says overwhelmed hospitals in that state's central valley are getting nearly 200 federal health care workers to help deal with the recent surge in covid-19 patients. the area is also getting federal aid to support more tes

dukakis and senator bentsen, who had an earlier role in the story, were the challengers. i'm wondering -- some history books suggest that barbara bush was very much involved and supportive, as was son george w. bush in its strategy to employ the willie horton campaign -- >> right. >> -- to be tough. do you know that empirically? >> i've heard it perhaps apocryphally. there are certainly sources that say that both she and george w. bush had gone to george h.w. bush and said, if you don't toughen up, you're not going to win this race, so go ahead with the willie horton ad. >> and ultimately, successful. they reached the white house. and it's interesting to note -- we were talking about this before we started -- we're doing this program live on the 20th of january, 2014, and it is today exactly the 25th anniversary of the bushes coming into the white house. the bush years -- and we have, as we do in each of these programs, a still of the important things that happened during those four years in the white house just to put it on the record books. and they include his "no new

but for perspective, keep in mind i think it was july 262008, michael dukakis had a 17-point nationalh and the gallup national poll. i think he won 40 states. again different inputs and a different era but the idea is a lot can happen between july and november. right? speak up there you go, kevin corke, thank you for that. more revelations from the latest news polls in key battleground states. joe biden receiving support from women and not white voters while president trump appears to be underperforming among men and white voters. what does this mean for the president's reelection bid? let's bring in marc thiessen, former george h.w. bush speechwriter. if you look at the highlights from these polls and even look at battleground states because sometimes i know people say it's not right to look at them with the national level in michigan, the groups that are favoring each side become the president appears to be deeply underwater with women, nonwhite, suburban voters. what do you make of all these numbers? >> it's not good, it's not good at all. first of all i think the polls are probabl

that means they had to have endorsed dukakis, carter, mcgovern, go down the line.ess. so joe, with that letter, when you're reading into this letter by weiss, do you think she's bringing up legalese? she says it's discrimination. do you see a lawsuit coming? joe: well, that would be interesting, right. i don't know if it's about that for her. i think she just wanted to do what writers like to do, which is have -- not the diversity that the new york times talks about in terms of color of skin but diversity of thought which is far more important. she did talk about bullying. she did talk about harassment. she did say it was in writing. perhaps there is a lawsuit here. i have a feeling that her and andrew sullivan who resigned from new york magazine may say okay, here's what we have to offer from a center right point of view. maria: yeah. well, diversity is incredibly important so diversity of speech as well and you just don't get a lot of it. and she's an opinion writer. the new york times declined to comment on specifics. but they did issue the following statement,

bush, at this same time, maybe a week difference in the 1988 cycle, governor michael dukakis was pollingdslide. fasten your seatbelts. this thing is not over the. stuart: before we close, doug, i want you to listen to what market watcher bob doll on the show last week. this is what he had to say about the election. watch this priest. >> in january, donald trump was shoo-in for re-election. in april, not so much. 16 presidents, stuart, have run for a second term since the year 1900. the 10 that ran without a recession were all reelected. the six that ran that had a recession, only one was reelected. five went down to defeat. that is why we've changed our tune on the election. we think it is uphill battle -- stuart: you heard that, doug. what do you say about trying to run for re-election in middle of a recession. >> it could be true. this is an unusual recession. back to bush, i remember in 1989 he polled, sorry, 1991 he polled 89% approval rating, the highest in history ever before or since. and yet he lost the election the next year. so, and i remember ronald reagan, they didn't expect

conversations as the caveat, yeah, everything can change in a week look at what happened when michael dukakis been a steady trend for the last four months since the virus began. even before the virus began, donald trump's numbers never made it beyond the mid 40s. so this is a snapshot but a pretty consistent portrait of where the electorate is. the other part of the bad news for trump, it's unclear what's going to turn it around the next 100 days. it's not like the economy is going to v-shape back. i think indicators are short term and also long term potentially. >> yeah. you know, reverend al, you look at how poorly these republican senate candidates are doing. you talked about how the events of the past six months are going to have a negative impact on donald trump in terms of black voters. but you remember after charlottesville, there were a lot of republicans in the suburbs who turned on donald trump, a lot of republicans in northern virginia who turned on donald trump for that 2017 election. and here, this weekend, i saw two quotes, one from devin nunes, talking about the democratic part