the hope that they're going to fail and yet if you think about the genesis of universal credit duncan smith long time ago when tooling some of the deprived areas of glasgow and elsewhere and thought that this might be a way to get people off benefits could something which presumably started off with . noble motives and often not fulfilling the subject for me is the disconnect from the people that you're supposed to represent and for me a challenge to in duncan smith would have been who did he speak to that was on benefits who told you it was a good idea how many people did you go and see afterwards to see how it's affected their lives but the stigma of homelessness how can we remove the the shame many people feel the drive in the position i think is less about removing the shame from the people that's going through the situations and it's more about connecting with people when we know we can see that after a tough time a lot of time people are going through a tough time with draw because they feel ashamed and they feel there's a perception and for me what we found is the biggest biggest big

the times talks about iain duncan smith, former leader of the conservative party, saying we are the brexite brexit party now because there's no other space for us to occupy. he did say that i wish he hadn't. is that how you think the prime minister, boris johnson, will pitch the party?” hope not, because we have spent 3.5 yea rs hope not, because we have spent 3.5 years talking highly volatile rubbish about brexit. doesn't matter whether you are remain or leave, i feel so passionately about this, if anyone is going to win this election without outright majority, which is very unlikely, but say one does, if you don't have a fantastic domestic agenda, which we have ignored for 3.5 years, apart from a good dollop of money going into the national health system, educational needs lots of money and police, hundreds of things, defence, things we have not dealt with properly. if it's the time of the end of austerity, and i believe whatever government it is, we need to spend, because if you look at europe, there's the possibility of a recession, maybe a global recession, so we need infrastructure s

iain duncan smith. >> may i take issue with the prime minister gently. for 27 years, some of us have been warning about the nature of the european union. i say gently. may also say to my friend i am in agreement as i stand here today with the leader of the back, who has said he will this deal today, so will i. i want to ask him in that spirit, would he please come to the box and ask the member to please recognize we need to have a meaningful vote to withdraw his amendments and give the give theeople -- and british people what they are dying for. a decision on brexit. p.m. johnson: i am full of respect of my contributions my friend has made over many years that did not mean in any way to exclude him, to say he had not made important contributions. i meant i had not heard people speaking up in favor of integration. amendmentnt about the , which i believe is being proposed and i think you accepted. think this is a momentous occasion for our country and parliament. it would be a great shame if the opportunity to have a meaningful vote, which is what i believ

iain duncan smith is urging conservative collea g u es duncan smith is urging conservative colleaguest. it is going to be an incredibly close vote. let's go back to what happens at 9:30am. a historic day because john bercow will stand up as speaker convening this, on a saturday, he will tell us a crucial thing. the third delay option is what is called an amendment, an attempted change to the motion. he has to tell is if you will accept it. we will know if there are three options are to. i think he will accept it. once he has done that then borisjohnson makes his pitch. he says we are all fed up with basit and will be relieved. we then hear from with basit and will be relieved. we then hearfrom jeremy with basit and will be relieved. we then hear from jeremy corbyn. around mid—afternoon we get those votes which as you were saying are civilly too close to call. we are with you until ten o'clock. 9:30am, boris johnson we we are with you until ten o'clock. 9:30am, borisjohnson we expect him to start speaking in the house of commons. we will take that life it happens. the irish border has

there is a quote from iain duncan smith which says, we other brexit party now.y conservative party but brexit strategists worried about losing boats to liberal democrats, that's not what they want, and the more of these moderate tories to jump ship, these moderate tories to jump ship, the bigger the danger that the party gets taken over by brexit and steve baker is saying, the european research group, which is a group of hardline exit will come out of the selection with more members than they had. turning away from politics to something sad we have been recovering all day, the first report dealing with grenfell. the london fire brigade are being accused of hiding behind heroes and they are having a go at the chief of the fire brigade. there have been criticisms that the boss in charge that her initial reaction was not right and the tone was not right at all. the suggestion that we would have done the same again. and actually, the report has found systematic failings across so many report has found systematic failings across so many aspects of the work that the f

a think tank set up by iain duncan smith, the architect, said that the pension age should rise to 75. i say to the tories, if you ever tried to bring this in, the snp will oppose it all of the way. we can take responsibility and save our own priorities, and we can also decide what we do not want to spend money on. nuclear weapons are immoral, but they are also a massive waste of money. (applause) we can and we will, with independence, get rid of the missiles once and for all. (applause) and here is another idea for saving some cash. the house of lords. (noise) the second-biggest legislative chamber in the world after that national people's congress of china. (laughs) >> you know, at one time, there were 63 peers, and they claim more than one million pounds between them just for being there. that is undemocratic, and with independence, we would not have to contribute a single penny to lords. we can have a modern parliament with a written constitution, instead. (applause) our task is to build confidence in the strength of our economy and in our vision of a fairer, more democratic countr

group, there seems to be a bit of dissent from there already, voices like ian patterson and iain duncan smith abs —— impressed with the deal but what this is is actually taking the uk even further away from the eu. that makes it even less likely that the eu will enter that makes it even less likely that the eu willentera that makes it even less likely that the eu will enter a trade deal with the eu will enter a trade deal with the uk after brexit. and that will be unpalatable, certainly for a lot of labour and opposition mps. it would involve britain diminishing a lot of its standards and regulations, food safety, workers' rights, environmental protections and all of those are likely to be undermined by what will follow. the eu have signed many trade deals around the world on the basis of mutual recognition rather than perfect harmonisation. the basis of what theresa may's original deal, was keeping us inside the customs union and in practice that prevents you from striking new trade deals with countries which after all is one of the principal benefits of brexit. you would end up with a kind

bench to the back bench, he couldn't seemingly get on with the conservative leaders like iain duncan smithxtraordinary political journey. john bercow has certainly been seen by some conservatives as being very partisan on the brexit issue. how damaging do you think that has been not necessarily tojohn bercow, but to the role of speaker? he's certainly not the first speaker to face accusations of bias. but there is a very important date on this tale, which is three february, 2017. john bercow spoke at the university of reading to students there. and on that day, he revealed that he voted to remain in the referendum. now while speakers long have faced accusations of bias from — margaret thatcher always felt he was against her government, selwyn lloyd, a former conservative minister — when he began, there were all these accusations against him of bias. however, as far as i'm aware, that was the first time that a speaker has spoken out on an issue of such controversy. and we have now got a commons committee, quite an influential commons committee, which says it will look at the role of speaker

the express yes express corbin's plot to actually develop a credit would be devastating says ian duncan smith the quiet man of politics is now turning up the volume no doubt a different universe of credit which most people arguably say has killed people in this country well i took it seriously and that's that allegation and undoubtedly 17000 is not well don't believe or 17000 undoubtedly is not being well handled and there are issues with the structure of it need to be replaced but the concept of it seems to me to be correct the concept being that you should never be worse off in work the new when you're on benefits this former tory leader seems to be saying yes the under blair and brown it was terrible these anomalies showed up but i mean while people might accept that you can't possibly say that it was a credit of the un special rapporteur as in poverty have said the introduction of this is being a catastrophe for these doctors has not been well handled but the principle is right this is why you voted for it well i was a coach it was part of the coalition agreement ok let's go to the japane

the disconnect from the people that you're supposed to represent and for me a challenge to him duncan smith would have been who did you speak to that was on benefits who told you was a good idea how many people did you go and see afterwards to see how it's affected their lives but the stigma of homelessness how can we remove the the shame many people feel the drive in the position i think is less about removing the shame from the people that's going through the situations and it's more about connecting with people when we know we can see that after a tough time a lot of time people are going through a tough time with draw because they feel ashamed and they feel there's a perception for me what we found is the biggest biggest biggest thing lacking from the homeless people that we were going to people going through something is the fact they don't feel like. there were a view of having a conversation if you don't feel like they are allowed to or should and for me that's something we have to take on and we have to start bridging that gap and make an effort to make them feel ok the situation yo

a think tank set by ian duncan smith, the architect of universal credit has suggested that the pension age should rise to 75. i say to the tourists today, if you ever try to bring this in, the s&p will oppose it all the way. but with independence, we can make our own choices, we can take responsibility and set our own priorities, and we can also decide what we don't want to spend money on. nuclear weapons are immoral, but they are also a massive waste of money. with independence, we can and we will get rid of nuclear missiles from the cloud once and for all. and here's another idea for saving some cash, the house of lords. the second biggest legislative chamber in the world after the national people's congress of china, you know in one term, there were 63 peers who failed to speak at all, but they still claimed more than a million pounds between them just for being there. the house of lords is undemocratic and outdated and with independence, we won't have to contribute a single penny towards it. we can have a modern parliament with a written constitution instead. our task is to build c

we will be speaking to iain duncan smith at ten past seven.east to west will continue all but the northern isles through the day and then quite smartly behind it we will see a return to sunshine. we have seen a lot of rain coming our way through the latter part of yesterday, streaming and across the west and steadily pushing eastwards heavy bursts as well and i am showing you the radar just bursts as well and i am showing you the radarjust to show bursts as well and i am showing you the radar just to show you bursts as well and i am showing you the radarjust to show you the trend and track that the rain is taking. this is due to the weather front that will continue to move away but you can see it still lingers across the northern aisles. a transient ridge of high pressure comes our way and then this area of high pressure will be with us tomorrow into the weekend. first thing this morning we start dry and bright in the far north—east before the rain pushes through. through the afternoon across orkney we will hang onto the rain and get into shet

we have had people like iain duncan smith, t brexiteers publishing op-ed saying they may have to makeoncessions. the deadline may be extended to beyond october 31. -- noticeable shift away from the hard brexit argument. even if the agreement does not pass parliament and you get an early election the government will be campaigning on a deal. this hard brexit confrontation with europe has gone down. vonnie: does it matter what any constructive dialogue would involve -- on the ireland question customs is a sticking point, if there is progress does it matter what kind of progress? mr. saravelos: i think from a market perspective at the moment what matters is to add the pale risk of hard brexit being low. is agreed of what will matter to the future of the relationship. we will be focusing on these factors in a few months. i think immediately as we look at the next few weeks and into november what matters is that the market understands and the government petitions a strategy of engagement rather than confrontation. that means the risk of a hard brexit is low and it allows the pound to be on

we'll talk to ian duncan smith -- we had spoken to ian duncan smith earlier on and he said we need a general election and the parliament is dysfunctional. address thisg to bill up like a christmas tree with amendments, essentially suggesting there's no point in finding a new timetable what has come out of the process will look anything like the bill we put in, so he is certainly suggested the general election path forward is the only one. suggesting they were those would be the results pushing for a general election and he needs the labour party to go along with the idea. matt: anna edwards will continue to cover that from westminster. thanks both of you so much for joining us. this hour, we have a guest cohost from goldman sachs. coo for amia and the head of fixed income. let me ask you your take. it seems it will drag on longer, but we are getting some sense of certainty. ?o you feel the same way andrew: i'm not sure. we take one step forward and in one back. it looks we have clarity, and now, we see a delay. it was commented previously that the 31st october deadline looks pretty c

smith, us is iain duncan conservative mp and former leader of the conservative party.ou. what are the chances of leaving on october 31? . there isstill -- >> still a slim chance that if the labor party agrees to a limited extra time, they could run it around the clock. in 25just do it all hours. that is how we have done it in days gone by. we might still get back onto schedule. there is the outside possibility and i think the government recognizes a stage where if they can't make the 31st, their pledge, they have to have an election. the honest truth is you've witnessed what happens when you don't have a majority or a government this place just collapses. an alternative is to craft another timetable and jeremy corbyn seems off about that. is it worth trying that before the election root? if you really examine what he is actually asking for, he's trying to get three more days. to breakery well not the deadline so it is a tautological game he is playing. anna: you could call it a technical extension, that's what some want. just more time. >> the extension is not in our g

duncan smith. >> mr. speaker. >>> right, so, there we have the beginnings of the debate. and we've stayed with it some length, so you can get a flavor for it. what we've heard so far, the prime minister setting out the motion that is to approve the agreement he made with brussels. the leader of the opposition is basically saying, no, they will not vote for this and giving the reasons why. and a variety of other party members now coming forward, including the father of the house, ken clarke, about their reasons. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> and before we go further, what did you make of the prime minister and the way he spoke this morning? >> he was drawing upon the most macro political philosophical argument that he possibly could and that is to say that britain has for a long time sit uncomfortable within the european union. tophrasearaphrase, forget the practicalities of this, england didn't want to break the union, it doesn't want to break the federation of states. he's trying to make that argument saying we need to leave. we need to move on as a count

we are hearing one line coming into us from brexiteer ian duncan smith. were to be able to stop them if it was not working for northern ireland? the other was the customs union and the third one being the 18th. so, with those three issues we are beginning to hear from ian duncan smith who is be a leading voice when it comes to a harder type of brexit, echoing part of what we have with the du p. elizabeth earlier, speaking to somebody else who also was looking for a hardback that, it is the price the party leader as the name goes in the title, nigel farage. he told me why he wants to see this new deal which has just been agreed on between the eu and the uk rejected.” has just been agreed on between the eu and the uk rejected. i would very much like a slave on the 31st of october, but i understand that the benn act has been passed and that makes it impossible. was i rather acce pt makes it impossible. was i rather accept a new european treaty that is frankly very bad for us but i prefer to have an extension? and the general election? i would always go for t

iain duncan smith. >> mr. speaker, may i take issue with my right honorable friend the prime minister gently, that for 27 years, some of us have been warning about the federal nature of the european union. i said gent lip. may i also say i'm in real agreement with my right -- of le friend -- the the house who has said he will back his deal today. so would i. and i want to ask him then, in that spirit, would he please come to the dispatch box and ask the member from west dorsett to please recognize that we need to have a meaningful vote, towithdraw his amendment and give the british people what they were dying for, is a ecision on brexit. the ideas espect that my right honorable friend has made for many, many years. what i said was i hadn't heard people often speaking new integration of this country and to a federal europe. federal e.u., mr. speaker. on his points about the amendment that i believe is being proposed and i think you have accepted from the honorable member, my honorable friend from west dorsett.

there is iain duncan smith, mark francois, bill cash, steve baker, all seen at that meeting in downinging, saying they are optimistic that it is still possible that we reach a tolerable deal. that was steve baker in fact saying that. iam was steve baker in fact saying that. i am optimistic that it is still possible we reach a tolerable deal, and that i will be voting for it, and that i will be voting for it, and bill cash said "we are making progress, we can leave the eu on 0ctober progress, we can leave the eu on october 31". so that is them going into that meeting on downing street. amid the reports that the uk may have made some concessions on the irish backstop issue in those talks. clearly the prime minister trying to get the brexiteers, the erg, onside, and they they are optimistic that they may be able to vote for a deal. more on that as it comes into us. royal mail is facing its first national postal strike in a decade, after postal workers overwhelmingly voted to take industrial action. around 110,000 members of the communication workers union were balloted in a dispute over t

iain duncan smith, thank you.westminster on the day mps have voted to build in another delay to the brexit process, in effect, by backing a very important amendment presented by the mp sir oliver letwin, which really cause a big headache for the prime minister because what mps have decided is they will not approve the prime minister's brexit deal until all the legislation attached to it actually is passed. that clearly presents the government with a problem. let's look at the numbers in terms of the vote that happened a short time ago. we had the resultjust before three o'clock with 322 mps voting for the letwi n o'clock with 322 mps voting for the letwin amendment, until the legislation is passed. a majority of 16. which in this house of commons, which is very tightly bounce, it's a pretty decent majority, and the role of the dup in northern ireland, the democratic unionist party, was crucial in the outcome of that vote. iam going crucial in the outcome of that vote. i am going to reintroduce the panel, and they

iain duncan smith says he wants to read it before him makes up his mind.re presumably. i have heard very few conservative eurosceptics from the erd group saying that they will definitely be voting for this deal. they have always reserved a little bit of theirjudgment to say that they have to read it through thoroughly. as we know the ert has a special meeting at half past eight tomorrow morning, before the commons sits tomorrow morning, to try and reach a conclusion of what they are going to do. the ert are a group of people who have a broad belief about wanting to leave the european union and wanting to leave a clean —— with and wanting to leave a clean —— with a clean break. but i don't think you will definitely see them vote en masse is a blur. we are hearing through the day, and throughout the day, individual mps saying which way they are going to go. day, individual mps saying which way they are going to golj day, individual mps saying which way they are going to go. i think there will be certain mps where there is a suspicion as to whether they will

you are running against iain duncan smith, it is normally a remain seat, isn't it? just about. from someone like that? one of the things that is really clear when you knock on doors in my home seat is how little brexit comes up. it is important and people do bring it up but things that constantly come up is that every single one of our primary and secondary schools have had cuts, people are worried about their kids, a lack of housing and affordable housing. so you won't be talking about brexit? brexit isn't everything. so do you win if you can talk about issues but to lose if it is about brexit? it is a general election. we need to talk about brexit and i'm happy to talk about that but we need to think about the next five years, we have seen cuts to our public services and the biggest issue that comes up for us is crime, knife crime, all of those things have gone up, what do we do to tackle those issues? that is what i will to tackle those issues? that is what i will fight to tackle those issues? that is what i will fight on, how we build a better society and that is where labo

a think tank set up by iain duncan smith, that architect of universal credit, has suggested that theiorities. and we can also decide what we don't want to spend money on. nuclear weapons are immoral but they are also a massive waste of money. applause with independence we can and we will get rid of trident nuclear missiles from the clyde once and for all. cheering and applause and here's another idea for saving some cash. the house of lords. cheering the second biggest legislative chamber in the world after the national people's congress of china. you know, in one term there were 63 piers who failed to speak at all! they still claim more than £1 million between them just for being there. the house of lords is undemocratic and outdated and with independence we won't have to contribute a single penny towards it. we can have a modern parliament with a written constitution instead. cheering and applause our task is to build confidence in the strength of our economy and in our vision of a fairer, more democratic country. and through our actions in government we will continue to build conf

mr iain duncan smith now.me 25 years ago, the maastricht treaty finally passed into law in uk law, and i remember with some fondness on many occasion going through the opposite lobby to vote at that stage against the government, but i was always joined by the jolly figure of the existing leader of the opposition right now. we shared many a conversation about how terrible that was and how given the opportunity one day we would join together to repeal the 1972 european community is out. and i am sorry i say to the leader of the opposition, genuinely in friendship, i would love to know what happened in the intervening 25 years that changed his mind about the european union, and that now he needs longer wishes to repeal that act? i've mesh his friendship and i would like that to be put on record. it was the only thing we ever agreed about. notjust yet, iam thing we ever agreed about. notjust yet, i am conscious of time. not just yet. i would like to make this point that i rise to say to my right on yourfriend, the

mr iain duncan-smith. i stand here today with my right honourable friend, the father of the house, he has said that he will back this deal today, so will i stop i wa nt to this deal today, so will i stop i want to ask him therefore in that spirit, would he please come to the dispatch box and ask the member for west dorset to is now recognising we need to have a meaningful vote to withdraw his amendment and give the british people what they are dying for is a decision on brexit?” british people what they are dying for is a decision on brexit? i am full of respect for the contribution is my right honourable has friends over many yea rs is my right honourable has friends over many years on this subject and idid not over many years on this subject and i did not mean in any way to exclude him from saying he had not made important contributions on the subject of a federal europe. i said i had not heard people up and speaking up in favour of integration of this country into a federal eu, mr speaker stop on his po