anh duong: yes. from a standpoint, i would say that the biggest challenge has always been how do we transition from rnd effort into acquisition and it is a challenge, it is not unique to just dhs. dod hasn't the same challenge. it has been in existence a lot longer than dhs, as well. >> have you seen some instances where folks have overcome that challenge? anh duong: yes, let them try to say is it is a challenge that in the way the budget is structured. i just talked in my opening remarks. it these are undergoing operational assessment right now. our two organizations sat down and have tried to put in the budget on my side, the costs to complete the technologies that we think would be ready for acquisition within the timeframe and deliver that in time. and the cost is the acquisition and maintenance of that. frankly, we both do it because we know it is the right thing to do, but i doubt that the budget that the request -- the budget request that was put in will get approved, because of the way the st

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miss duong came to the u.s. as refugee of war from vietnam and spent 25 years working in naval, science and technology directing all of u.s. navy explosive research and development. miss duong. >> good afternoon, chairman johnson, and senator booker. good afternoon, chairman johnson and senator booker. thank you for this opportunity to testify along with my colleagues from border protection with whom we work closely. the science and technology directorates mission is to deliver effective and innovative insight, methods and solutions for the critical needs of the homeland security enterprise under the leadership of undersecretary broaders, we have direction and defined our visionary goals, which are driven by the 2014 quadrennial homeland security review, white house policy, congressional guidance, and secretary johnson's unity of effort initiative. these goals are screening that matches the pace of life, a trusted cyberfuture, protecting privacy, commerce and community, enable the decisionmaker actionable inform

miss duong? >> from the standpoint of technology that we in snt are developing we make sure we do a good job at estimating a life cycle cost before we submit that information to mr. borkowski, for example, for potential acquisition. it's a process we keep improving. as you know, before we start a project we already consult with operating component in estimating the return on investment. and when return on investment, it's their r&d investment not my r&d investment. if we pursue this particular technology let's say we could find ten more tunnels per year. what does that mean in terms -- and we estimate throughout it would cost x dollars to buy a new tunnel detection system that we're developing does that mean five years ten years? so at first it's just an estimate. and as we move further into the development of the solution then we try to come up with a better and better estimate, and in the end when we get to operational assessment that's when we try to come up with a much better return on invest

miss duong came to the u.s. as refugee of war from vietnam and spent 25 years working in naval science and technology directing all of u.s. navy explosive research and development. miss duong. >> good afternoon, chairman johnson, and senator booker. good afternoon, chairman johnson and senator booker. thank you for this opportunity to testify along with my colleagues from border protection with whom we work closely. the science and technology directorates mission is to deliver effective and innovative insight, methods and solutions for the critical needs of the homeland security enterprise under the leadership of undersecretary broaders, we have direction and defined our visionary goals, which are driven by the 2014 quadrennial homeland security review white house policy, congressional guidance, and secretary johnson's unity of effort initiative. these goals are screening that matches the pace of life, a trusted cyberfuture, protecting privacy, commerce and community enable the decisionmaker actionable informati

our next witness is director anh duong. pretty close? >> yes. >> one out of four is not today. director duong is the director borders and maritime security division and science and technology director for the department of homeland security where she focuses on developing technologies to put into operational use along our seize land and air borders and ports of entry. she came to the u.s. as a refugee of four from vietnam and spent 25 years working in naval science and technology directing all just navy explosive research and develop a. >> good afternoon chairman johnson and senator booker. thank you for this opportunity to testify along with my colleagues from custom and border protection with whom he worked closely. the science and technology directorate's mission is to deliver effective and integrated inside, methods and solutions for the critical needs of the homeland security enterprise under the leadership of undersecretary. we have defined our visionary goals which are driven by the 2014 quadrennial homeland security review, white house policy, congressional guidance, an

duong? >> senator, i know the focus of this hearing is not about -- >> i'm going to ask you to be very brief. >> -- or p.o. event, but when we talk about needle in haystack, that is exacerbated at point of entry because we know that travel is increasing by 5% per year it's, indeed, one of the strategies that s&t is pursuing technology for. >> okay. excellent, thanks. chief? just briefly. >> i would echo your comments as it relates to our partners in canada. i think that relationship is a very good one. the local law enforcement and the federal law enforcement as well as our partners in canada, that makes a big difference. we're increasingly having those kinds of conversations in mexico, and as we get more smart about how the unity of effort and the joint task forces roll out, it'll give us another opportunity to use the whole-of-government approach at the southwest border. and as mexico, our relationship with them matures, it will be a benefit to all of us. >> any -- very, very briefer comme

miss duong? >> from the standpoint of technology that we in s & t are developing, we make sure that we do a good job at estimating a life cycle cost before we submit that information to mr. borkowski, for example, for potential acquisition. it's a process we keep improving. as you know, before we start a project we already consult with operating component in estimating the return on investment. and when i say return on investment it's on their investment not my r & d investment. so we estimate that if we pursue this particular technology, let's say we could find ten more tunnels per year, what does that mean in terms -- and we estimate throughout that -- it would cost x dollars to buy a new tunnel detection system that we're developing does that mean it would break even in two years, five years, ten years? so at first it's just an estimate. and as we move further into the development of the solution, then we try to come up with a better and better estimate, and in the end when we get to operation