we think john durham is going to find more. now, barr didn't get his wish in the fact that durham didn't put out his investigation, even an interim report, before the election. this is his way of saying when the new administration comes in, durham should be safe to continue his work. >> oh, boy. we didn't even get to bribery and presidential pardons. nbc's julia ansley, thank you for getting up on this busy morning at the doj. thank you so much. >>> still ahead here, new overnight, the uk becomes the first western country to approve pfizer's coronavirus vaccine, clearing the way for britain to begin mass immunizations. we're going to have that story and a check of your weather, when we come right back. did you know that your clothes can actually attract pet hair? with new bounce pet hair & lint guard, your clothes can repel pet hair. look how the shirt on the left attracts pet hair like a magnet! pet hair is no match for bounce. with bounce, you can love your pets, and lint roll less. is now a good time enough, crohn's. for adu

paul: you follow durham closely, kim, one of the questions i keep getting his wife does durham take sog to produce results? one of the answer i have received from my sources is that covid slowed him down because he couldn't convene a grand jury. former deputy fbi director, come on in. if you don't have the threat of a grand jury, they say sorry, we won't. rather not. what else are you hearing about why it's taking so long? kim: that is absolutely the case coupled with the fact that durham is a very thorough investigator and he has come across new leads and felt they needed to be tracked down. those were further delayed by the covid situation you mentioned. finally, people have complained that this is somehow politicized. the guys a straight up prosecutor and made a decision not to release any sense of findings any run-up to the election. this has passed the original plan to be done by summer but now we will get answers at some time and it guarantees he will continue to do a thorough job. paul: dan, the next attorney general after january 20, when he or she is confirmed, could fire durh

that meant john durham, no one said anything about it but it meant durham couldn't even use leveragereatening to get a subpoena from a grand jury to bring in any witnesses to voluntarily come in. that certainly delayed things as well. paul: will there be a durham report? good the next attorney general squelch it? kim: absolutely the durham report, that is one of the things the special counsel required a special counsel to give a report to the ag so there will be a report. barr was very optimistic that just the circumstances in public pressure would mean the report would have to come public. paul: let's turn to the hunter biden investigation, there's an investigation into his taxes and perhaps more. will they be a special counsel named in the hunter biden case. kim: i have no idea. i hope not just because we have that long history of bob mueller, longer history of special counsel and they rarely ever and well. i have no idea whether or not he's going to name special counsel for hunter biden but we certainly don't have this with them. paul: okay, what is his response to the criticism t

biden can still direct the attorney general to fire durham.ow sad it is it was the republicans who wanted to stop president trump from firing special counsel mueller. but i doubt there is any democrat who will try to tell joe biden he can't fire john durham especially since adam schiff stated the attorney general perhaps should end the inquiry into the trump investigation. surprise surprised. the democrats will get away with it again. americans are for was over the russia collusion hoax. we need answers. we need action. we need justice. and you, mr. barr, are so deep in the swamp you can't see beyond your fellow reptiles, and you are not the exceptional leader needed at this exceptional time in history. that's my open. let me know what you think on facebook page and twitter #judgejeanine. if you like my open, you will like my new book "don't lie to me." president trump addressed a massive crowd tonight in georgia in support of gop senators kelly loeffler and david perdue. the president had a lot to say about his own election which he still say

in addition, durham expanded his probe.cluding an investigation on hillary clinton, her foundation, many of the people around her that were part of what we now believe and have been told that is a plot to link president trump to russia as an effort to deflect from her own problems from that part of the world. her own pay for play scheme. in addition, i think durham is going to expose a lot of the cover-up and the work of the special counsel, the tactics her own pay-for-play scheme. in addition, i think durham is going to expose a lot of the cover-up and the work of the special counsel, the tactics that they used. going after individuals for just unreal circumstances, yeah, absolutely. and this is important. i mean, you know, we have to have complete transparency of our democracy is going to survive, and right now, it doesn't. it doesn't exist, and we need that to happen. so, durham's probe is important. >> tucker: and itself like it is real. have not talked a lot about it on the show because it's so hard to know, but you ar

biden can still direct the attorney general to fire durham.ow sad it is it was the republicans who wanted to stop president trump from firing special counsel mueller. but i doubt there is any democrat who will try to tell joe biden he can't fire john durham especially since adam schiff stated the attorney general perhaps should end the inquiry into the trump investigation. surprise surprised. the democrats will get away with it again. americans are for was over the russia collusion hoax. we need answers. we need action. we need justice. and you, mr. barr, are so deep in the swamp you can't see beyond your fellow reptiles, and you are not the exceptional leader needed at this exceptional time in history. that's my open. let me know what you think on facebook page and twitter #judgejeanine. if you like my open, you will like my new book "don't lie to me." president trump addressed a massive crowd tonight in georgia in support of gop senators kelly loeffler and david perdue. the president had a lot to say about his own election which he still say

in john durham is a u.s. attorney. there have been u.s.orneys in the past who have operated as special counsel. so you have to move forward with the investigation. otherwise, you are engaging in the exact type of behavior you said was so despicable that you completely denounced that it was not even happening from the trump administration. so yes, let this play out. what does it mean to let it play out? it means we finally get some answers who was lightning, who was fudging emails, who was using the power of the surveillance to spy on innocent americans, which cannot happen again. >> harris: so jedidiah we were promised this report over and over and over. it will come in the summer. oh, it will come before the election. these things take time. that is what we do know now. what are your topline thoughts about it? >> jedidiah: out, they do take time and remember we were all hit with the coronavirus, which you know, has put a dent in anybody's schedule. that is what they came out and said essentially. durham is saying he needs more time and if

if you listen to state media -- the durham report, wait until durham -- the durham -- and again, a conspiracy, i don't know, something that nothing ever came of, but what's the point of this? >> at this point that's a great question. we're not even talking about the prior election. we're now talking about two elections ago. 2016. that's ancient history at this point. and look, doj was willing to bend the rules. normally you don't announce an investigation within 60 days of an election. bill barr said, i may be willing to do this for durham. but guess what? he didn't have anything worth announcing. his top lieutenant resigned because she believed they were under undue pressure. but ultimately it's the same theme really with the election fraud thing and durham. bill barr can twist the truth, twist the fact, distort the law. he's done ploent enty of that, he's not a wizard. >> oh, but they try. tonight we're seeing these court records that show the doj is investigating a potential pardon bribery scheme. it doesn't involve a government official, but what are the legal imp implicati imp imp limply

if you listen to state media, the durham report. wait until durham.-- again, conspiracy theory or, i don't know, something that nothing ever came of. what's the point of this? >> at this point that's a great question. we're not talking about the prior election, two elections ago. 2016 is ancient history at this point. doj was willing to bend the rules. normally you don't announce an investigation 60 days before an election. guess what, he didn't have anything worth announcing. there was pressure on durham because his top lieutenant resigned. she believed they were under undue pressure. it's the same theme with the election fraud and durham. bill barr can twist it and distort that but he's not a wizard. he can't conjure something out of thin air. >> oh, but they try. tonight we're seeing court records that show the doj's investigating a potential pardon bribery scheme. i mean, it doesn't involve a government official, but what are the legal implications there of a potential scheme? >> yeah, it's so interesting. first of all, the president recently twee

biden can still direct the attorney general to fire durham.ow sad it is it was the republicans who wanted to stop president trump from firing special counsel mueller. but i doubt there is any democrat who will try to tell joe biden he can't fire john durham especially since adam schiff stated the attorney general perhaps should end the inquiry into the trump investigation. surprise surprised. the democrats will get away with it again. americans are for was over the russia collusion hoax. we need answers. we need action. we need justice. and you, mr. barr, are so deep in the swamp you can't see beyond your fellow reptiles, and you are not the exceptional leader needed at this exceptional time in history. that's my open. let me know what you think on facebook page and twitter #judgejeanine. if you like my open, you will like my new book "don't lie to me." president trump addressed a massive crowd tonight in georgia in support of gop senators kelly loeffler and david perdue. the president had a lot to say about his own election which he still say

attorney general john durham to act as a special counsel. durham will be investigating whether intelligence and law enforcement officials violated any laws as they investigated the russia investigation in 2014. cnn's evan perez joins us live. what are you learning, evan? >> reporter: john durham is now a special counsel, essentially the same thing that robert mueller was during president trump's presidency. what this means is that come january and joe biden takes office, john durham will continue doing his investigation. as you said, he is a u.s. attorney. traditionally what happens is all u.s. attorneys leave their positions and joe biden is able to pick a u.s. attorney in connecticut which is where john durham is based. what this means is that the durham investigation which began earlier this year is going to continue probably for another year, well into the biden presidency looking into whether or not there were any laws broken in the beginnings of the early parts of the trump russia investigation back in 2016. jake? >> can president-elec

i'll start with durham first. i do think he is a respected prosecutor, he hasn't made any moves to reveal -- to make the sort of announcement that would have made trump happy. we know there was discontent on his team and push back. we don't know what he'll actually say after january 20th as special counsel. barr himself i think is interesting. you're right many people did say when he say appointed he would be a straight shooter. he is that. but i think the idea he was an institutionalist sort of erased history. if you look back at an interview barr did with the mueller center about the bush presidency under which he served as attorney general, it's very clear he felt bush did not adequately use his powers of the president, that he could have done more, he could have been more imperial president, and that's something he supports. so we're in a situation barr has a president in many ways he wishes he had, he believes the country needs and he thinks is right. so in many ways he's actually able to now be the attorney

couldn't fire durham and put an end to the investigation?'t, but politically, it would be, obviously, a very devastating thing. you would have to imagine that joe biden, who is making a push to sort of restore normalcy in washington, to sort of bring things back from where donald trump, who violated all the norms and threatened multiple times to fire the special counsel robert mueller, you would think that joe biden wouldn't want to do that. obviously joe biden can do that, and he could order the new attorney general, whoever that is, to get rid of the special counsel. we don't expect that joe biden would do that, because of the political implications that it would have. keep in mind, brooke, from what we can tell, sources that we've talked to, durham hasn't really found that much. he's not done with his investigation. we knew that it wasn't going to be done before the election as president trump and bill barr wanted him to be, but we knew this work was going to continue. but we don't anticipate that there is any big, huge revelations to com

bill barr and john durham. it's an about-face , we were expecting a real investigation into what took place and why crossfire hurricane the investigation into donald trump still has no accountability. can you give us some sunlight on that? >> well, from my position in the intelligence community, one of the things that you know, maria, that i spend a lot of time on this issue as a member of congress before i game the d ni, but one of the things i wanted to look at was from the intelligence community perspective was there any intelligence at all, anything to support the opening of crossfire hurricane and from the position that i'm in now, i'm able to tell everyone, there wasn't and you don't have to take my word for it. the other officials from the obama-biden administration have said so as well. one of my predecessors james clapper, you know, has admitted that he never saw intelligence of russian collusion with the trump campaign. i declassified documents to show that not only that was the case, but that also th

. >> let me ask you about the durham news. did you get a good explanation of why the attorney general chose yesterday as the day to announce his actions from october? we know why they weren't done before october. that's the type of action, if you're appointed special counsel and you're too close to the president, you take action. but he specifically chose yesterday to come out with this. was that a coincidence? >> it seems he had this scheduled interview with the associated press and he chose this time primarily because he wanted to put out -- he wanted to dispel any myths that said he was letting durham go bigger. he didn't want the news of the special counsel designation to leak out in a way he couldn't control. and he wanted to be very specific that durham is only looking at the origins of the probe, that crossfire hurricane investigation that we know of, meaning fbi officials getting involved. he's not getting into what we think of as the mueller probe. he's really looking at the very early days. and i think that was bar's

durham, why? straight ahead.> sean: we do have breaking developments out of the deep state investigation tonight. the attorney general bill barr revealed today that he has appointed john durham special counsel to investigate the origins of the russia hoax, which will allow the investigation to continue. joining us now with reaction, author of the new book "firebrand," florida congressman matt gaetz, gregg jarrett, good to see you both. greg, you wrote two number one best sellers on this. from my perspective, john durham has had more than enough information about russian disinformation dossier, premeditated fraud on a fisa court and he's had forever to do it. why hasn't he gotten the job done? >> well, according to the attorney general he needs more time. covid interfered with the legal process. but this was a shrewd and smart move by bill barr. he's essentially made john durham elliott mass. he's untouchable, giving him elevated status as special counsel. remember, the ag is gone when a new administration comes i

william barr making durham special counsel ties their hands.s he's not discussed hunter in his search for ag saying he's not asking questions of this potential nominee and stories about his son were disinformation. is joe biden playing this right? >> in some ways he is and in some ways he isn't. i would say it is very unlikely that he's talked to potential ag nominees about this investigation because he knows the first question that will come up in a confirmation hearing is does did you talk to joe biden about hunter biden? it is more problematic. the fact that he's talking about this information coming out of delaware, lauded by two democratic senators and calling out russian disinformation that seeks to quit this investigation into special counsel territory. it is not said that and said let the investigation run its course. not necessary to appoint a special counsel, there is no big concern for the nation beyond investigation of the president elect's son. when we talk about russian disinformation, it is clear joe biden cannot look at the evid

your view is that durham and this could matter but that durham became a special counsel when?> well, that order i think barr signed appears to be dated a couple weeks before the election and it's interesting that he didn't want to disclose it at that time. i think because it would be suggesting that he thought trump was about to lose the election but nonetheless, this is an effort to -- >> let me follow up one more time. you're saying something interesting. i'm not putting words in your mouth congressman but a subtle point. it was secret then so it didn't look like the thing you do to prepare for a loss. of course, had they won, nothing would have probably made it very public, right? they might not have needed to publicize it. it would have been oh, we're covered either way or would it have come out? >> i think it's not clear, frankly, whether they would have followed through with the appointment had trump been reelected. barr didn't feel it was necessary to have a special counsel status in the past. the only reason he wanted to confer that status now is a desire to continue t

we can't wait for a year for durham or the attorney general to get to the answer. the american people need to know right now. we have an election in georgia next month. we need to know right now whether we can trust it. we call on the attorney general to get in there, do a forensic audit and find the evidence and let us know if this has been a fair election. thank you. >> good job, scott. >> well, thank you, scott. and let me fix something that my colleague from corpus christi, texas, said, mr. cloud, my good friend saying that nobody's trying to overturn an election. today that's true, but for the last four years it wasn't true. you had the lying fake media, fake news and the social media and the democrats with the fake impeachment that has been talked about. they, indeed, were trying to overturn an election. it's just that simple and now they're trying to accuse us of doing it. the hypocrisy is unbelievable. there is nothing more sacred than americans' right to vote and this right must be protected by our great republic. we are given the charge to protect that ri

bill barr put durham on this case.t before the election, he gave him this official designation as special counsel. the meaning of this, this is what prosecutors call a case dump. this is a dud. this case did not turn up what donald trump was overtly hoping for, an october surprise. it's not going to yield those big names that trump and his supporters had in their fever dreams. and what bill barr has done now by announcing that he's made durham officially special counsel is essentially ensure that durham will become the problem of the next administration. i find it really unusual and really suspicious that he did this before the election but we're only finding out about it now, because i think it underscores this whole add that durham was a dud, he did not produce what the president was hoping for. >> laura, i want your take here, and i want to add that in this ap interview, barr dropped the bombshell that the department of justice has found no evidence of widespread fraud in the election and there's nothing to substant

essentially what happened to me and it seems that john durham is looking into a lot of the allegations made is that this essentially was a western intelligence operation lead by the obama administration to set up various members of the trump campaign to orchestrate a fake conspiracy to spy on the campaign illegally and should president trump have won, to essentially handcuff him, prevent him from governing properly. that is exactly what happened, what the country went through. with every piece of declassified information that comes out over the last weeks or so, i hope more comes out, just simply reinforces that. it really makes president trump and his associates look like they were targeted in an illegal operation. that is something that should not be viewed through a partisan lens, and something that should have never happened and never happen again. maria: george, you were working for a company called the international center of law practice i believe. and you said, oomph going to quit. i'm going to work for donald trump. help him on his campaign. they said, wait, george, before you

durham is widely regarded as apolitical, very straight shooting prosecutor. is he's not done. nobody is going to rush him. now, by the way, one of the conditions of the regulations is that there's a conflict that would develop in the department of justice or one that exists. that conflict would not seem likely connected to the current administration or this would have happened months ago. so this assumption is that barr see as conflict in the upcoming biden administration which has been taking clinton and obama figures. sally yates is a frontrunner for the next attorney general. she would have a serious conflict with any continuing durham investigation. >> bill: very interesting. we will watch that. i agree with you. we deserve answers and we need them. the sooner the better four years plus. thanks, professor. jonathan turley. 20 million doses is the expected number by the end of this year of covid-19 vaccines. and plus the incoming biden administration and the question of transparency. i'll talk with josh earnest about that and more coming up. it's been a to

back on october 19, barr appointed durham special counsel.s investigation into the russia probe under a new administration. barr is at the white house right now. so more on this as we get it here this hour. meantime, the president tweeting that the state of georgia was scammed. it's all hand on deck for republicans there. the rnc telling fox news that they sent 500 staffers and thousands of volunteers to get out the vote for kelly loeffler and david purdue. president trump set to campaign there saturday. rick scott of florida here with us. good afternoon. a lot to get to. >> good afternoon to you. >> bill: what about the secretary of state's office talking about 250 cases of illegal voters being tried to be signed up by progressive groups? >> homeland security is something that we have to look into. we have to make the american public that the elections are fair. we have to have voter i.d. or signatures match. we have a bill for mail-in ballots here in florida. you have to make sure there's transparency. poll watchers have to watch what's goi

the move will help durham make a stronger case if he pursues indictments.n 590 days of investigating, durham has only produced one such indictment so far. >>> also breaking, attorney general william barr. [laughter] office today after two years of -- left office after two years of running the justice department. he determined he had no reason to i appoint special counsels to investigate either election fraud or hunter biden's corrupt business ties. our next guest has called out barr's department of justice for turning a blind eye to the biden scandal. joining us now, tom fitton, president of judicial watch. tom, great to see you. >> good evening. gregg: 100%, bill barr is wrong in not appointing a special counsel in the hunter biden case. all he has to do is read 28cfr600 et al., and it says very clearly that if there's a conflict of interest, a special counsel is required. not maybe appointed or only if you want it on a, you know, every other sunday. no, it's mandatoriment and i can't -- mandatory. and i can't think of a greater conflict of interest than t

that is an indication that durham's work is likely far from over. also may cast a cloud of controversy over the inauguration of president joe biden if biden is in fact elected by the electors december 14 to become the next president of the united states. so john durham will be with us for a while to come even if there's a change of administration, neil. >> neil: so in that event, john, just to get this right, there's nothing that joe biden can do about that, right? >> you know, the old independent counsel law was vacated or expired and now there's a new one that is covered by the department of justice. my understanding that if a special counsel is appointed, he continues until their work is completed regardless of who occupies the oval office. >> neil: not a quiet news day for you. >> you know what we call it around here? we call it tuesday. >> neil: yeah, i hear you. john roberts in the middle of all of that. well, sounds right, no reason to doubt it. bill barr meeting with the president. curious how the president will react on this whole issue of

durham adding prosecutors to the team. this has been full steam ahead in it hardly seem9 is so. joining us now, tom fitton, president of judicial watch. tom, we've got a lot to go over here. i'm going to just begin with the attorney genre e signing and taking off -- general resigning and taking off in just a little more than a week. your thoughts. >> well, obviously, there was a big gap in what president trump wanted in terms of the doj approach on these, on the corruption crisis that our nation faces versus barr's, in my view, lackadaisical approach to it. we have information this week being reported that he specifically intervened to stop investigative steps from taking place against the hunter crime family -- the biden crime family. and, you know with, that's just not acceptable. it's not acceptable. he protected mccabe, he protected comey, the durham investigation is a big fail as best i can tell, hillary clinton got a pass from barr as well. barr did some good things, he was an effective spokesman. but when the rubber

gregg: i want to ask about durham investigation.resident trump signing an order that allows durham to prevent classified information and document to a criminal grand jury. the president had do do that -- to do that, because authorize agents like fbi refuse to give approval, why wouldn't they? because they are engaged in a cover-up of their own abuse of power in the president trump-russia collusion hoax, would you agree? >> i would go further. cover-up goes back further. because remember the first executive order or direction was agency had to give access to classify in to justice department, they were stonewalling at the time, now potentially they want to run something through a grand jury, i don't know who the potential targets are, i'm not impressed that anyone significant will be targeted, you can bit bet -- bet there were more oc jec objects,a president of united states had to intervene twice, for justice. this is what is incredible. the president that needs to take step for justice, the pardons this week for the victims of mule

we know durham is not done. according to bill barr, he decided to appoint john durham as a special council. durham can't serve in the way robert mueller did. the rule is you have to be someone outside the government. what barr is doing is going around and he's giving durham the power. >> evan perez, i appreciate it. john dean is a cnn contributor and commentator and david axelrod. so if there is been some sort of, presidential kind of rumbling or presidential bribery scheme, what would it mean legally? i am not clear this means if somebody had given donations in the past or someone given a pardon or somebody giving donations, what do you make of this? >> well, i read the largely redacted argument and as evan says it is hard to glean much from it. they did get a lot of information from a raid that they were authorized. they got several digital materials from iphones and ipads and hard drive from what have you. in that material were e-mails correspondent between the party involved and an attorney. they apparently

he's continuing to use durham but constraining him with the powers of the special counsel.his is absolutely just par for the courseis with who's been claiming that he's never been able to provide evidence. >> laura: it's shameless.il bill barr had taken some heat today when the ap reported today that the doj had found not a lot of fraud. tonight a doj spokesperson made this clarification telling fox news that some media outlets have been correctly reported that the department hasec concluded its investigation of election fraud. i that's not what the attorney general stated. the department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations. what does that tell you, mollie, some tough words from trump's legalt team saying they hadn't interviewed any of the witnesses that have come forward, at least the big witnesses we have heard from at this point. >> yeah. many people in the media obviously are not interested in the electionot fraud. you have testimony being given in multiple states where people talkhe about their own eyewitnes observations

biden should welcome john durham's appointment.ugh the president should generally control prosecution when we have to investigate the highest-ranking members of the government of the justice department themselves, we have to have independence, that means a special prosecutor like durham. >> neil: what happens? what can he do? the invethe investigation will continue. we are have to bring whatever he can find to whatever joe biden is going to be. ment explain that process. >> he can basely do that robert mueller did. he's going to be able to hire up a full staff. he's going to have a pretty large budget. and most importantly, he's going to be able to follow the evidence wherever it leads him. it and that's what i think ought to worry biden, just like independent counsels tormented clinton, trump, and reagan. he may start off on one subject. he'll follow the evidence, other things might come to light. you never know. presidents burn up a lot of time and energy and find these kinds of investigations quite crippling. durham is going to

i appreciate the fact that he named john durham.e know john durham is beefing up his investigation, adding prosecutors to the investigation. i think that is a good thing. i appreciate the fact that attorney general barr back in october named john durham not just as the guy investigating this but designated him as special counsel. so we appreciate his service but that is call for the president and of course as i said i think some americans as i was frustrated at the pace of some of the things that happened. elizabeth: you know was criticized how he characterize the mueller report. he has been aggressive about law and order in u.s. cities and also about the border. >> yeah. elizabeth: a.g. barr served this country since the '70s off and on. he has a career there. your final word on a.g. barr. go ahead, final word. >> i think you're right, liz. we appreciate his service on two different occasions he has been the top law enforcement guy in our country. we appreciate what he did with the mueller investigation and what he did with john du

attorney john durham as special counsel in the investigation into the russia probe.am extra protection from being fired by the biden administration. house chairman adam schiff -- >> can be rescinded i think by the next attorney general. i would presume the next attorney general will look to see whether there is any merit to the work john durham is doing, to make a rational decision about whether that should continue at any level. >> martha: but that is a very different tune then schiff was singing in 2018 when he called to protect special counsel robert mueller from getting fired. >> we have to make sure mueller is protected so we don't have to wonder what happens to the kind of constitutional crisis that would follow a fast or slow moving saturday night massacre. >> martha: joining me now, trey gowdy, former house oversight committee chair and fox news contributor. trey, great to see you tonight. what do you make of adam schiff's shifting opinion on this? >> you know, martha, he spent his entire career, what is left of it, on this russia collusion. he told us, he pr