it's a long-term plan that needs to be dwon a consensus of congress. >> richard, good news or bad news for the obama administration today? >> you know, thomas, i have to say with all due respect to alice what we just heard and if we hear that from romney is nonsense. this is a guy who during the primary said he would be opposed and would veto the dream act. he said his answer to immigration was deportation, self-deportation, that loany notion, but deportation of all the illegal imt grants that were here. he basically -- the architect of the arizona law, most of which has been struck down now, was an adviser to him. even jan brewer saying this is a vindication. think about if romney were president, this law wouldn't have been challenged in the first place. this is a reminder to latino who has their back and who doesn't. it is crystal clear. if mitt romney thinks he can get by with gibberish further on this, i don't think after this decision today he can. >> richard, alice, perry, stick around. we'll take a quick break. still on the agenda, we talk about the other big decision before the