it's understood to be the first high court challenge against the dwp relating to childcare costs andf charities including save the children and gingerbread. nichola, hello, as well as carolin 0tt, a lawyerfor leigh day, the firm representing nichola, and victoria benson, the boss of the charity gingerbread, which supports single parents and is backing nichola's case. thank you for coming on the programme. let's just dig thank you for coming on the programme. let'sjust dig in to thank you for coming on the programme. let's just dig in to what is going on here, and first of all the broader question, you are a professional benefits adviser, somebody who understands, more than most of us about the benefit system yet you are taking the dwp to the high court. explain. well, ifi cannot fathom a way to make it work for me then i wonder how anybody else possibly can. that was the bottom line. you say you ended up in over £2000 worth of debt because of upfront childcare costs. talk is through that. the way universal credit works means that families on low incomes can get support for theirfrom