dyi bdsm. the question that raises, how did that conversation happen? who approached it? how did the other person take it? it is interesting to think about. >> what i thought, if you are that shy in real life, it shows what a great thespian you are. >> thank you. >> smart, strategic but smart on the part of the writers and creators, to make a guy who does what he does for a living exist in that kind of world. i am sure there is somebody that does that in real life. it seems so -- to the character that he plays by day? >> he takes a certain amount of pleasure in sort of you know, twisting the screws in his own life. it seems to be met, equally by the personal pleasure he takes in having the screws twisted on him. it is almost like a relieve for him. >> yes. >> i noticed it made the character make sense, gave him dimension dimensionality. >> what you think the audience is making of him to date? >> i think one of the things that the show does well, it is kind of like the pizazz the show, is that all of these peez are smarter than anyone you know. think 500 steps ahead of eve