now that future has arrived, more dystopian than he could have predicted. >> what i thought was there was going to be an explosion. but i never thought we'd go from 2 - 300 murders a year to 3000 a year. it was beyond my imagination. >> but the dimension the violence has taken is undeniably real. in juarez, there's a trail of blood that journalists can follow day by day, hour by hour. it's a saturday morning, and three men have been shot. two were in a car that is now empty and riddled with bullets. a third, a bystander, was caught in the cross fire and fell here. >> so there's a body covered by a blanket right there about 50 feet away, this shooting happened about thirty minutes ago, right in the middle of this neighborhood. the amazing thing is how little this has really changed life in this neighborhood. i mean a block down you have kids playing soccer, you have kids walking around the street here. i mean we're fifty feet from the body, and we're the only ones standing here even paying attention to what's going on. >> just around the corner, we find olga valadez, the mother of 23 y

and also dystopianism, showing that utopia can turn out to be very bad. i talk about a lot of alien invasion films or tv shows, and many of them -- there was one called "v" that lasted about two, three seasons. aliens showed up promising a utopia. very strange, they were promising universal health care, blue energy and public works projects, and it got people very concerned that somehow this was a comment on the obama administration. but anyway, that show presented this as a kind of faustian bargain that people would give away their freedom for the sake of this material utopia. i look at that in a number of shows like "fringe" as well. >> host: who did you write this book for? is this a scholarly book or a popular book? >> guest: well, i'm hoping it's both. et has a lot of footnotes and uses scholarship, but i have been told that i have the common touch and, you know, it's basically about westerns, about flying saucer movies, about the -- about "south park." and i hope that both audiences can enjoy the book. >> host: is there a danger that you're putting

things have gotten so bad that the culture is starting to present things that used to be dystopian as utopian. and my best example is dinner. there's an ad for facebook which -- a dinner, a typical norman rockwell dinner, the type you were evoking. big family, and extended family is at dinner. and you know this is going to be good, because dinner is the thing that we all know protects against juvenile delinquency, people stay in school if they have dinner with their families. it protects against, you know, everything bad and it encourages everything good in the growing up as a child. >> there are studies that confirm that? >> studies confirm dinner with your family, just have dinner with your children. so we know this is going to be good. and this family is having dinner. and then all of a sudden, one of the members of the family, let's call her "aunty," starts to get boring. a young girl, let's say a 19-year-old girl -- we've hit a "boring bit." and this girl is not going to take a "boring bit." and she takes out her phone, and on her phone she goes to facebook. and from her phone co

i fundamentally reject this dystopian premise. and the siren call of security.ve up our essential liberties, given what happened to me and other whistleblowers , it is timesnowden to roll back the surveillance state. it is time to restore the fourth amendment. it is time to repeal the patriot act. it is time the united states government stops watching us. us as the time for people to save the government from itself in order to form a more perfect union here and everywhere. we need to let freedom ring. never forsaking life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. it is now my extraordinary honor and privilege to invite up to the national security of human rights director for the project. i think she might have a few words to share. >> i cannot reach the microphone. i work for the government accountability project, which is the nation's leading whistleblower organization. i see our president out there. i never thought representing whistleblowers would be representing truth tellers charged under the espionage act. i see a lot of signs out there thinking edward snowd