to try to get the e-mails? >> that's right. rather than having lost loves learned in those, we will produce 24,000 lois lerner e-mails from the timeframe in question. spent time as expected i would ask men's consent to put into the record a letter from this committee funding as chairman to then commissioner doug shulman on june 3, 2011 asking for the name, title, and divisions of any individuals who were involved in investigating taxpayer contributions to 501(c)(4)s which were sent to the irs 10 days before lois lerner's e-mail crash. without i would yield to mr. brady. >> point of information, mr. chairman spent the latter without objection is put into the record. >> was that less are committed to members of the committee? >> the letter was signed by me and sent to the commission of the irs. >> so we have, none of us have seen it, okay. spent you may have seen it. it's certainly been -- we can get you a copy. but i think is larger bring up a time when we got to get a complete picture of the timeline which is t

e-mails. would the commissioner stand behind that statement or would he have to qualify it by we will have to find some of lois lerner's i mails. >> i'm sure he was trying to find all of lower learner's e-mails. before the crash began before it began. >> her crash came after we began investigating. >> therefore, what, mr. chairman? >> there foredocuments disappeared after. >> and therefore she did what or he did what. >> that's what we're here to learn. i repeat. there's no evidence that this man had nothing to do with my malfeasance or he should be accused of perjury before this committee. >> only that he said that he was aware of lerner's e-mails were overlooked, missing or had other technical issues. >> there was no evidence at that time to know whether they had been overlooked. >> missing or any other issues. i did not say that. i said at the time we had no idea whether any of those applied. that's why we were investigating. that's what i was told in april when they came back with the find

all of her e-mails. how long will it take you to produce lois lerner's e-mails that don't involve 6103 material from january of 2010? >> since lois lerner didn't comply with our questions, we need all of those e-mails. >> when you have people in positions of authority and responsibility that are expressing commentary on government e-mail, i think we ought to be entitled to all of them. >> will you commit to provide all of the e-mails. >> yes, as i said, we never said we wouldn't produce the e-mails. >> if you want to provide all, and i take you at your word, that you want to provide all, this would be something you would get off the table as quickly as possible. >> are you or are you not going to provide this committee all of lois lerner's e-mails? >> we are already -- >> yes -- >> yes, we will do that. >> for the record, on behalf of people on both sides who have spoken, lois lerner's e-mails, all of lois lerner's e-mails is the highest current priority of this committee. it will remain so as long as i'

>> that is what the e-mail says. >> these e-mails are concrete evidence of what happened in 2011 but my republican colleagues want to ignore them. they want to pretend they don't exist. those stubborn facts. but they do exist. and they show this was not intentional. this wasn't nefarious. this wasn't a conspiracy. mr. koskinen, are you aware of any evidence, documents, e-mails and i remind you are under oath and i remind you you have been accused of false statements, are you aware of any evidence, documents, e-mails, or other information from it professionals that call questions the accuracy of the e-mails? >> no. >> and finally, when you testified before this committee on march 26th, did you know about this e-mail claim? did you know ms. lerner's e-mails were lost forever? >> no. >> thank you very much. >> we go to the gentlemen from florida now. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i have known the commissioner for many years and i know him to be a good public servant. i am a little bit baffled. i note, john, that i think you are in a position at the end of the parade with the broom and sho

the e-mails back. even though congress requestedded it, the irs didn't care and didn't go the extra mile to get thosement you testified last week that you knew there was a problem, february 2014 with lois lerner's e-mails. >> i was advised there was an issue. >> in mid-march, the irs, according to your testimony, learned additional facts about her mysterious computer crash. >> that's correct. >> then you testified at this committee at the end of march, and you promised this committee, dowdy, gordon issa, everyone, get us lois lerner e-mails, you said, yes, we'll do it. you never mention, you never disclose that there were real problems about whether you were in fact going to be able to turn over those e-mails. correct. >> at that time i did not know there were real problems -- >> meet what you told dave camp. in february -- this is page six of your testimony last week -- in february, what we knew was there was a problem because we were looking at it from the standpoint of where, what time frame her e-m

lerner's custodial e-mail box appeared to contain very few e-mails prior to 2011. treasury agreed with the irs that it should inform congress as soon as it was able to provide accurate and complete information, although treasury ultimately deferred to the irs on how to handle the matter. >> those letters being distributed -- >> we are making copies now. the committee received these recently. copies will be made available to every member of the committee. mr. ryan is recognized for five minutes. >> this is unbelievable. the apology that ought to be given is to the american taxpayer, not to a government agency that is abusing its power. i am sitting here listening to this testimony. i just -- i do not believe it. that is your problem. nobody believes you. the internal revenue service comes to congress a couple years ago and misleads us and says no targeting is occurring. then it said it was a few rogue agents in cincinnati. then it said it was also on progressives. all of those things have been proven untrue. this committee sent a criminal referral of possible crimin

to try to get the e-mails? >> that's right. rather than having lost loves learned in those, we will produce 24,000 lois lerner e-mails from the timeframe in question. spent time as expected i would ask men's consent to put into the record a letter from this committee funding as chairman to then commissioner doug shulman on june 3, 2011 asking for the name, title, and divisions of any individuals who were involved in investigating taxpayer contributions to 501(c)(4)s which were sent to the irs 10 days before lois lerner's e-mail crash. without i would yield to mr. brady. >> point of information, mr. chairman spent the latter without objection is put into the record. >> was that less are committed to members of the committee? >> the letter was signed by me and sent to the commission of the irs. >> so we have, none of us have seen it, okay. spent you may have seen it. it's certainly been -- we can get you a copy. but i think is larger bring up a time when we got to get a complete picture of the timeline which is t

did they send you an e-mail. >> do not recall. i don't get e-mails on these subjects. i'm sure it was somebody in person. >> this has been a major news story in the last 13 months and i don't remember who came up to you and said, hey boss we lost lois lerner's e-mails. >> i remember being told in april. >> i do in the recall something on the front page that you would think would be significant enou enough. >> remember i'm running an agency with 90,000 people. >> and this has been the biggest issue front of your agency for the last year. >> we are in the middle of filing season. >> what did you do then after you were told. >> i didn't do anything. i was advised they were reconstituting the e-mails. >> who did you tell. >> did you tell the white house. >> piolitico recorded you told the white house. >> i don't think so. >> did you tell treasury. >> i didn't tell them. >> did you talk to anybody about this. >> not outside the agency. >> when did you tell congress. >> we produced the republican report ten days ago. >> so you knew in april and you waited two months to tell

or e-mails when every e-mail is being requested. and this is only weeks ago that we're finding this response. what is ambiguous about every learner e-mail? >> i believe -- i don't know if it's all. many of the pieces of correspondence that accompanied the document that's were produced referred to the fact that they were produced according to the terms that we had talked with your staff and other staffs about the committee staff. there are four different committees doing investigations. we met with all four staff. we asked them to provide search terms. the staff of this committee provided. >> so their response is -- >> what is ambiguous? >> the gentlemen's time has expired. you may complete your answer. >> the reason that in any large document production, search terms are applied is that it enables the people who are seeking the material to get what they want faster. that's the reason for the search terms. >> the gentleman from virginia mr. connolly is now recognized. >> i thank the chair. there are 90,000 employees in the irs. is th

e-mails. our subpoena says all of them. when we say all, we want every single e-mail in the timeframe in the subpoena that was sent to you. >> who will talk about lois lerner, for e-mails. how long will it take you to produce the mails from lois lerner that don't involve 601 material systems .. >> says she did not meet -- >> do you have people in this is a responsibility that race pressing over political commentary and a government in no? i think we ought to be entitled to all of it. will you commit here today to provide all the males? >> we have never said we would not. >> i take you at your word. you want to provide, this would be something you would go ahead and get off the table as quickly as possible. are you are you not going to provide all of the e-mail by lois lerner. >> we will do that. >> for the record on behalf of people on both sides of the spoken the mb lois lerner, all the e-mail by lois lerner is the highest current priority of this committee and will remain so as long as i am

lerner's e-mails that she was unable to get to her e-mails. >> could you check based on the ticket who handled that particular id issue and how it was resolved, tracking mechanism within the irs of? >> i don't know what the ticket would show but we'll be happy to make sure you have the ticket and any information related. >> can you tell me who at the irs in the i.t. area handled ms. lerner's computer crashed issued in 2011? >> yes. it was a front-line, corresponds with within a front-line i.t. manager. what was not ordinary was when it could be retrieved by the normal i.t. experts to have scented expert at the criminal investigation division which was an additional step taken -- >> could you tell me what caused the crash itself? >> i do not know what caused the crash. in fact, my understanding, computers, three to 5% of them crashed as a general industry standard and there's no way to know why. >> can you rule out what you know are based on these tickets can you rule out that lois lerner destroyed her own computer? can you rule that out? >> there's no evidence that she did. if she had

where c-e-q-a review is not required. there are two kinds of exemptions. a statutory exemption and a categorical exemption. statutory exemption has an absolute quality not shared by [speaker not understood] exemptions. [speaker not understood] is not subject to c-e-q-a even if it has the potential to significantly affect the environment. statutory exemptions [speaker not understood] specified classes of projects. statutory exemptions are used for many city department budgets. that include adjustments to rates, fees, or other charges. california public resources code section 2 108 b8 and c-e-q-a state guidelines section [speaker not understood] total fares and charges provides the statutory exemption from environmental review for the establishment, modification, structuring, restructuring, approval of rates, tolls, fares and other charges by public agencies, which the public agency finds are for the purpose of meeting operating expenses or obtains funds to maintain service within the existing areas. mta supposed fiscal yea

lerner's e-mails. we know from 2010 e-mail correspondents we found at the department of justice that ms. lerner sent over 1.1 million pages of a data base to assist the possible prosecution of those same groups that were targeted and that that information included 6103 personal identifiable information including donors. i am hoping the archivist whose loss and destruction would and should have been reported in 2011. the hearing today continues the committee's oversight efforts of the irs targeting to get to basic answers for the american people. the committee will continue to aggressively search for answers about how and why the irs allowed to be destroyed lois lerner's e-mails. this information is critical to the committee's investigation of the irs targeting of conservative organizations. i might add in closing, the archivist is a welcoming friend of this committee. the archives fall within our jurisdiction. we take great pride in the work that the national archives does. just last night very proudly

there is rarely necessity under c-e-q-a for the board to do so. you can treat this as an appeal of the c-e-q-a decision to cease sunday meter parking. k-5 by the planning commission that has you have to look at the whole [speaker not understood]. projects were being proposed with 10,000 units and the agencies were trying to segment that project into different pieces the idea of looking at the project as a whole was designed to protect the environment, it was designed as a shield so agencies couldn't avoid -- agency couldn't shish you your project [speaker not understood] within an overall budget proposal. the other thing is on my letter that i submitted yesterday, there are a number of cases there on page 4 of the discussion of why the board has the discretion to treat this as a limited appeal, object to decision on sunday meter parking. the last point i would make is my colleague has mentioned that free muni for youth is an important initiative that they support and i believe there's a number of ways to avoid having to go through the same process

but as you know and as you stated, this is a c-e-q-a appeal and there are times when c-e-q-a appeals come to this board and arguments are made on the merits or people think it's about the merits of the issue, sunday meter good or is it bad. of course that is not the issue before the board. the voters in 1999 took that power away from the board of supervisors and gave it to the mta board of directors and, so, that question about the merits of sunday meters is in the hands of the mta board of directors and we all can agree or disagree with the decisions that they make. so, i think it's really important just to emphasize that for the public. and, so, my question for you is what is the correct level of c-e-q-a review or c-e-q-a documents for this decision by the mta board of directors to eliminate sunday meters? what are you contending they should have done instead of issue the statutory exemption? >> well, at the very least they should have done what they did in 2012 which is identify specifically that the c-e-q-a exemption was applied to sunday meter parking. >> have they put that -- w

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out any of hert e-mails? >> some of the production of lois lerner documents are hard copies. >> are you taking a look at the compliance with federal records act, discipline for employees who did not follow it? >> i asked some time ago that we prepared when the dust settles to take a look at our entire system, antiquated as it is, trying to figure out how we can have a system that would be more easily searchable. if not in our interest is and $18 million and have thousands responding if we had a system where you could more easily collect the e-mail you could respond more quickly. more recently, as i have asked about this, we also need to review our policy. art of our problem because of the antiquated system is is not a system of record. some agencies with more modern systems automatically collect official records as part of the e-mail system. we don't do that. we are still -- the record act was passed in the 1950's. it was all paper then. it's as if we are still operating the neighbor. we need to take a look a

i sent you an e-mail earlier at 1:05 p.m. today and it includes a letter, i have 12 copies here for distribution if you'd like in case the e-mail is kind of not transmitted well. i would like to say the following thing. earlier in this meeting you did pass and adopt a resolution for the 2009 housing element. and what i wanted to say is it's the first reading only. however, i wanted to add a statement that could be put in the ordinance to quantify or to clarify what happened at the board of supervisors' land use committee meeting in terms of the neighborhood character that a lot of our constituents and many of your districts are concerned with. and, so, i want to make sure that item -- on page 3 of that document, the ordinance that was attached to file number 1404 14 that you earlier passed, on june 9, 2014 by motion no. xxxxx, five x's, for whatever number that ways, the board of supervisors land use and economic development committee adopted a resolution to recommend to the full board of supervisors of that recommendation th

retrieve the e-mails? >> absolutely true. from the of sight committee, 13 months ago we are asking for the information and then we have them before the committee in march of this year, this year, and he confirms that they do have them, and they are stored on servers, and how is it, sean, that the president of the united states says h is goe is going t to the bottom of this and goes on the "bill o'reilly show" and says there is no smidgeon of corruption here. not a smidgeon of corruption. >> not a smidgeon. and so we have a video of lois lerner saying that everybody is presses suring the irs prior to the 2010 elections, and let me play this for you and you tell us why this is important to the audience. >> and so in the flow of overturning 100-year-old precedent of drastically changing corporations could give -- because they don't like it -- -- so everybody is screaming at us and saying, look at how much these people are spending. >> congressman, the key is everybody is up in arms because they don't like it

25,000 e-mails from ms. lerner's computer account and more than 5000 e-mails from other custodians accounts for which ms. lerner was an author or a recipient to the irs expects as noted earlier in my conversation due to complete its production of the remaining lerner e-mails to this committee by the end of the month. at the time you'll have all of the e-mails, 43,000 of them, that we have from ms. learns computer and the military for the. january 2009 through may 2013. in addition as noted you have 24,000 lerner e-mails from other custodians accounts during the period that her hard drive crashed for a total of 67,000 lerner e-mails. in the course respond to congressional requests the irs in february review the e-mail available to ms. lerner's custodial computer accounts which have been been limited and limited by search terms we had worked out with investigators and identified the possibility of an issue because the biggest addition of e-mail was uneven. it was not clinton whether lerner e-mails were -- >> w

i'd like to turn to c-e-q-a now. so, what's happening here in light of this decision go the direction it d. according to mta the decision to reverse meter parking on sundays is exempt from c-e-q-a. there is clearly an exemption [speaker not understood], but that doesn't apply here and let me tell you why. there's two reasons. the first reason is the fares and rates exemption under c-e-q-a, only applies to decisions designed to meet operating expenses. this decision knows revenue. the bottom line of c-e-q-a is [speaker not understood] in the past they had to take actions because they had to meet operating expenses. therefore, the c-e-q-a exemption should not apply. the second reason which is even more clear-cut in my eyes, the agency specifically notes the basis for the exemption, what happens here is the agency pointed the public in the wrong direction. if you look at their exemption and the resolution that they passed they actually say it applies specifically to a number of items and what is referred to as attachmen

but e-cigarettes under mine this. on the picture on the left, you can see photos from instagram which is a photo application that those my age use and on the photo on the top left, it's an e-cigarette in the shape of bunny and it's marketed towards a younger audience and the photo on the right shows a girl about our age too who uses e-cigarettes and tags such as e-sig are popular and hash tag on instagrams. we work with the school district which conducts a survey and these are 12 to 14 years old and they seemed knowledgeable about this subject as well. everyone is doing it. it has the fuel a real cigarette, but safer and you can hide it easily and i smoked them for three months and i know a lot. you can tell how these are marketed and concentrated towards youth markets and because of how easily accessible and how widely seem they are. my group decided to advocate for this legislation. >> that was amazing. speaker: i'm jessica. i'm her coordinate at the vietnamese center and i want to reiterate what she was saying. in

you already have more than 25,000 e-mails from his lois lerner computer account and more than 5,000 e-mails from other custodians accounts for which ms. lois lerner was an author or recipient. the irs expects as noted earlier in the conversation to complete the production of the remaining e-mails. we have from the e-mail account from the period january 2009 through may of 2013. in addition as it is noted you have 24,000 e-mails from other custodians accounts during the period that the hard drive was crashed for a total of 67,000 e-mails. the irs in february revealed that the e-mail from the custodial accounts which have indeed limited and limited my search terms that we worked out with investigators and identified the possibility of an issue because the data distribution of the e-mail was not even. it wasn't clear whether the e-mails were overlooked, missing or have other technical issues. the irs information technology professionals identify the documents that indicated that ms. lois lerner experienced a computer failure in 2011 as the congressman noted some of those e-mails had earlier be

had the e-mails been lost? if so, whether other e-mails that were from lowest in that timeframe. so i've been consistent except fofor the one point i don't. >> thank you. do you agree when the irs grants a group exempts status, that means that there's an advantage of one group as compared to another group and how they are taxed x. it's important. and i do know what the number is of how much money the federal government doesn't take in because we do exempt, i me, the total amount of money. that's not my question. conveys a significant tax advantage to a group, whether they're left, right, north, south, doesn't matter. a significant tax advantage to that group. and its operations are being implicitly subsidized by you and me. you and i. >> that's correct. >> okay. is that correct of? >> that is correct. >> i'm not using hyperbole here, am i? that's exactly what happens. >> right. >> you actually think i'm going to ask your opinion. do you actually think they understand about what this is all about? i mean, this is not about what happened to the black box. this is about protecting t

when a computer crashes you usually don't lose e-mails. computers crash, loss of e-mails. coincidence? >> what did they do? take them to a football game picnic? it's getting to be silly. here's the worst of this. if you accept what the governments had to say is true, it gets worse and worse and worse. that eight computers crashed, come on. we all know experts that could draw anything out of it. they're supposed to be keeping all of this data as back up. i can't go to the irs and say that i only have to keep mine for six months because the law says i have got to keep it for five to seven years. it's unescapablunescapable. it's either on purpose or we have the most inept irs that one can imagine. >> what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. i think that's a brilliant point. i would say this isn't a silly thing. obstruction of justice by the agent that collects all of our national treasure is a scary situation. >> this is not about corrupt money pouring into the system. this is about stifling the opposition during a presidential election or reelection. there is the

you already have more than 25,000 e-mails from his lois lerner computer account and more than 5,000 e-mails from other custodians accounts for which ms. lois lerner was an author or recipient. the irs expects as noted earlier in the conversation to complete the production of the remaining e-mails. we have from the e-mail account from the period january 2009 through may of 2013. in addition as it is noted you have 24,000 e-mails from other custodians accounts during the period that the hard drive was crashed for a total of 67,000 e-mails.

this is not a ban of e-cigarettes. you can use e-cigarettes where you can use cigarettes. we want that to be clear. dph and coalition helped organize press briefing in early march where there was a lot of coverage with supervise mar and other staff. and dr. [inaudible] at usf and i believe that media coverage was on nbc and sf chronicle and news radio. as well as supervisor mar developed a chronicle off ed a few days later. and lastly, i think this was the very exciting part was the coalition and it was mostly derrick who helped coordinate speakers who cared about this issue. we're passionate about this and we want to make sure it was very clear that e-cigarettes are not as safe. there were multiple community partners and over 50 speakers on this issue including youth and multiple other community partners. and usually two minutes is allowed for public comment but i don't know if l would like to talk about her experience. >> this is our first time making public comment. it was a great experience and we're allowed two minutes but this was shortened to 60 seconds due to how m

i think we may get some of those e-mails. we just learned there's going be a report coming in the next few weeks on the missing e-mails. we may see some of them. that's why i think a lot of this hinges on whether congress can feel satisfied that the irs has done everything it could to reproduce those e-mails. remember every member i talked to on capitol hill keeps saying we don't think we can get to the bottom of this until we know what happened to the e-mails or we can see those e-mails and find out if there's any real damning evidence in there that lerner was working with administration higherups or otherwise working to target these conservative groups in a real purposeful fashion. >> speaking of those e-mails, there's a lot of normal folks looking around saying we don't understand this. g mail can save my e-mails for eternity. how is it that the irs can't seem to save theirs. there's a congressman proposing some type of reward if anybody can figure this out. is that gaining any traction? >> well, i this i what it's doing,

today, the top tax man was unapologetic in missing e-mails targeting the e-mails of conservative groups. mike emanuel has -- >> this is a pattern of abuse, and pattern of behavior that is not giving us any confidence that the agency is being impartial. i don't believe you. this is incredible. >> i have a long career, and that is the first time that anybody has said that you do not believe me. >> i don't believe you. >> and the last week the irs revealed in a news dump that more than two years of lois lerner's e-mails were lost in a computer crash, the members of the house ways and means blasted the commissioner john koskinen when he said that backup tapes were only kept for six months, and then there was something more basic seen by the chairman. >> i don't hear an apology to this committee. >> i don't believe one is owed. there has not been a single e-mail lost. >> and he is going to investigate the e-mails that are missing as untruthful. >> in is just as much a hearing as inquisition, and you deserve bet better, and you are certainly obligated to give us truthful answers, and we appre

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before deleting e-mail you should print it out. e-mailsprint any of her ? >> she did. some of the production of documents are hard copies. >> are you taking a look at the iris compliance with the federal records act or any disciplinary action? some time agoed that we would be prepared when the dust settles that we take a ,ook at our e-mail system antiquated as it is introduce figure out back to an earlier question. how can we have a system that would be more easily searchable. it is not in our interest to spend $18 million and have thousands of employees responding if we had a system you could respond more quickly. also need to review what is our policy. part of our problem because of the antiquated system we had is our e-mail system is not a system of record. some agencies have more modern automatically collect official records as part of the e-mail system. we do not do that. we're still the record -- the record act was passed in 1950 so it was all paper then. we are still operating with people -- paper. we need to look at the system. going forward at the end of my 3.

they said lerner sent an e-mail from her desktop. there was a crash. she e-mailed.d complain she had a crash. they said the irs said in a letter to the congress, e-mails are -- they go to servers. they are not just on your desktop. they go to the servers but then the servers rewrite every six months. we couldn't get the e-mails off of her fried laptop or desktop and the server had rewritten. why is that not plausible? >> it is not just lois lerner. it is the other six. >> i get that. stick with lerner right now. explain to me what is not plausible. >> she is a high-ranking official. these e-mails exist, not just in her inbox. they exist on backup tapes. >> that's the server, right? >> there is the server. once it operates for a while, it does a backup of itself. those tapes are then archived somewhere. the irs commissioner said in testimony during march, the congressman asked him, he said they exist but it will take years to get there. >> let me stop you there. that's a different kind of evidence. when the commissioner testified, he said, yes, we'll give you all tho

to have these e-mails disappear to be told they are lost, and not only that e-mails of 6 others besidelois lerner have also disappeared. what is your reaction? >> my reaction is, i am a mystery thriller writer, i research things like this. i research with secret service and fbi and cia, someone in secret service taught me, years ago, she could take a ground up disk drive in pieces, and they could find data on it idea that data on a recycleed direction of drived direction ofdrive is -- , i am sorry. where are 18 minutes in 96 b nin tapes, you have to ask the hard questions, sometimes when they reveal of our fears. so sometimes you can look at tapes, say we need to find that is welcome, you look at hillary clinton running you know there are a lot more 61 pie conspirac. you show my a conspiracy i will show you the fears. lou: fears may go beyond the surface. because, what i see happening, is that on a number of levels, we know there are tape back ups and universal back up in every e-mail outlet, and application. but in this, for someone to go to this trouble, to erase destroy, these e-mai

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