e. jean carroll? >> e. carroll was hugging her lead attorney, roberta kaplan and her other top attorney, sean crowley, in the room and then there was a group hug among the lawyers hugging the other one. we will see e. jean carroll leave behind me when they do exit the courtroom, and we will also see donald trump's legal team exit as we have been discussing, he wasn't here for the verdict. but we have another colleague inside the room and we will get some more color reaction of what it was like -- it was like inside the courtroom, but the judge when he was excusing the jury, it is an anonymous jury, they are driven to a drop off and pick up point every day and then they go to their homes and the judge set it up pacifically in the case like the last one because of the concern for their safety. the whole case has been about defamation and attacks on i ching carol -- e. jean carroll . they said he could speak publicly about it if they wanted, they can't reveal the identity of any jurors, his advice to them was

e. jean carroll says this is not the kind of attention that i enjoy. question, then why ms. carroll, were you publicizing the lawsuits yourself? answer, because once i spoke up -- e. jean carroll continue speaking over her own attorneys objection, i want people to know that a woman can speak up and win a trial. i wanted people to know. it was a major victory, and i wanted people to know. i don't want to be quiet now. i'm 80. it's not right to try to make women be quiet. it's been going on for too long. e. jean carroll told the jury that she now lives, quote, in the mountains, in the woods, and the small cabin. she described what donald trump has done to her life and the security precautions she has had to take, including her new dog, he pitbull, who was a rescue, who patrols her property inside an electronic fence. e. jean carroll described how a simple trip to a grocery store can become terrify for her. question, have there been any instances where you changed your behavior because of the security concerns you have? answer, i change direction a lot while driving. there was a

e. jean carroll? tion all along and, andrew, it brings me back to an argument that carroll's attorneys made during closing arguments which was this, this trial is also about something much more profound, whether the rues that apply to everyone else, to you, to me, to miss carroll, whether they also apply to donald trump and it feels when i hear that total, $83.3 million in damages that that was the jury's answer in some ways to that macro question. >> absolutely. the way i look at this is the fact that you have nine jurors unanimously making this conclusion in short order is a vindication of the rule of law. it means that judge kaplan was successful in keeping those antics at bay of having the jurors do their duty and when you think about this, compare this to the prior verdict. the prior verdict which was for sexual assault and defamation was a total of 5 million. this is a total of 83 million. the message is, if you continue to defame somebody, that 5 million judgment, if this was entirely donald tru

e. jean carroll received. the jury clearly not believing in that side of the argument and finding in carroll's favor, hitting the president in the pocketbook and awarding her this significant award of $83.3 million. wolf. >> kara, tell us about the reaction that's coming into this huge decision. >> reporter: yeah, so in the courtroom when the verdict was read, e. jean carroll was sitting between two of her attorneys, holding their hands. after that big number came out, the three of them embraced. and she walked out of there with her attorneys with their faces just beaming, smiles from ear to ear. now, trump's attorney, alina haba, came utand spoke to the cameras because donald trump had left the courtroom. he left at 4:00 p.m., so he did not stay for when the verdict was read. instead his attorney leaving the courthouse saying that they were going to appeal. she also talked about this common refrain that they believe these cases are all a witch hunt. take a listen. >> so many americans are so proud that he is r

e. jean carroll called lisa birnbach. after the first e. , lisa birnbach joined us on this program that night that first verdict was returned and told us about that phone call. >> parts of that phone call that i took on my wireless landline phone on 93rd street that spring day that i will never forget. i mean, not only was i giving my children their usual chicken nugget dinner on power ranger plates, but i just, i just remember her not knowing what to think. and then as i said to the lawyers in the court, when she described his penetrating her, i said e. jean, you've been raped. and i stepped outside the kitchen because i didn't want my kids to hear it. oh, i'm pretty sure my three -year-old did not know what that meant, nor might six -year-old. but still, it was just so shocking. he raped you, e. jean, you should go to the police. and that was horrible. she was ashamed. and the word rape just had a very bad feeling for her. i mean, who wouldn't? but it was, it was worse than maybe somebody of my generation, she is enough older that being a

e. jean carroll?hope so but i would be unwilling to make a bet that he would. >> i wonder what you made of how the former president's legal team tried to depict ms. carroll , she did not take any responsibility for that media, press frenzy or public profile that she wanted and still enjoys. >> it was an interesting defense. if she as a person ever experience what e. jean carroll has experienced, she would not be using that as bringing all of those issues up because they don't apply. what she suffered and how she suffered, she lost her job, she lost everything and the threats that this society has been thrown against her because of trump being unable to keep his mouth shut are serious and not to be taken lightly just like our wonderful congress people who can't seem to stand up to trump either because they are afraid. they are afraid of him which is what bullies do. he is a consummate bully. >> i wonder what you made of the former president walking out of the courtroom during closing argument. >> i'm n

e. jean carroll, and afterwards in her book as well, which has been established by e. jean carroll's attorneys. will alina habba, the president's attorneys agree to the ground rules and will the former president stick to them, and then, by the way, chris, if he doesn't, right, what will happen then. will judge kaplan find him in contempt of court. i'm going to look back down at my phone, keep watching this. talk amongst yourselves. >> we'll come back to you, but habba is pushing back. here's how she's pushing back. you say you want me to tell you what he's going to say. he's going to deny the allegations. he stands by his testimony, he did not make statements, referring to ms. carroll, and had to respond to accusations and deny them. she said that after the judge said there are no doovers. >> right, so donald trump clearly wants to play the victim card here. he wants to be able to say i was just defending myself. but that's basically all authentic say because he can't, then, make the next statement, which is because she's a liar. because she was politically motivated, b

e. jean carroll, in fact borrowing the same words, the very same words the donald trump used to attack e. jean carroll back in june

e. jean carroll? e. has beaten donald trump, and that point sort of backfired on elina today when she tried to insinuate that e. jean carroll was a person who's very attention-seeking and for someone who doesn't like to mention donald trump, hasn't she done a lot of tv and sought a lot of attention given that she doesn't like to talk about him? and her response was perfect. she said, i won a historic victory at this trial. i'm 80 years old. and i wanted women to know, you don't have to stay silent. it doesn't have to be this way. and so, in that way, the attorney toward the end of the trial day gave e. jean carroll a tremendous gift, and the courtroom was fairly still for that portion of the testimony. >> right. harry, it strikes me the, and may i not remind you of the number of legal cases that donald trump is currently facing, that there must be prosecutors in other cases who are watching what is happening in this e. jean carroll case, who are watching the behavior that was demonstrated on full display

e. jean carroll, and the private e. jean carroll. e. jean carroll said, public e. jean is the cheerleader, the buoyant, indestructible old lady who, ais people on how to be happy, and who knows everything, and as always your best fen and will cheer you on. when i'm in public, or with my friends, that is who i am. there is the private e. jean who is, quiet. sometimes, she feels pain. i like in the private e. jean. she and i are becoming better, and better acquainted. andrew, certainly, i have known the public e. jean for many years. met her in my early days in new york. i've known her ever since. her description of the public e. jean is the person i know from dinners, being friendly, cheerful, all of that. they are trying to use, the defense, the public e. jean against her. to try to say, she just loves the attention. we >> i think it is worth stepping back to understand the phase of the trial we are in. it has been adjudicated at a trial that she is the victim of sexual assault, committed by the former president of the united states. this is not a judicial finding,

e. jean carroll has received. question, and in and is this message typical of the kind of messages you receive threatening with violence? no. question, why not? answer, this is more it's longer, more descriptive, in an odd way, more eloquent in the way they want me to die. question, how do they want you to die? answer, stretched, my neck stretched immediately after a quick public trial. question, ms. carroll, what's the date of this message? this is the day after the trial last year. question, and how does this person want you to die? answer, i apologize to the people in the audience because when a woman, particularly a woman sees the words, we can't help but think of the image. and so he wants me to stick a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger. and i imagine that many of us now can picture that. donald trump violated an order given to him directly from the bench today by the judge requiring donald trump to not make any comments that the jury can hear. later with the jury out of the courtroom, e. jean carroll's co

e. jean carroll and the private e. jean carroll. e. jean carroll said, well, public e. jean is the cheerleader, the buoyant indestructible old lady who advises people on how to be happy and who just knows everything and is always a best friend and she will cheer you on. when i'm out in public my friends, that's who i am. there is the private e. jean who is quiet, she feels sometimes pain. i like the private e. jean. she and i are becoming better and better acquainted. and andrew weissmann, i certainly known the public e. jean for many, many years. i matter in my early days in new york. i've known her ever since and her description of the public e. jean as the person i know from dinners being friendly and cheerful all the time, and they're trying to use, the defense or is trying to use the public e. jean carroll against her, to say she just loves the attention. >> i think it's worth stepping back to understand the phase of the trial we are in. it has been adjudicated at a trial that she is the victim of sexual assault committed by the former president of the united states

e. jean carroll tower, and e. jean carroll towards chicago. we already know that the appraised value of trump park avenue would just barely cover the cost of trump's obligations here, and that is very likely not even enough to cover all his financial exposure. after all, we are still awaiting a decision by new york judge arthur engoron, the man who is overseeing trump's massive civil fraud case. that case, new york attorney attorney general letitia james is seeking a judgment of three inches 70 billion dollars. and judge arthur engoron's ruling is expected in the next couple of -- it could be a very expensive start to donald trump's new year. whatever the exact price tag, though, the civil trials are proof that donald trump cannot escape accountability forever, that eventually, the bill comes due. in response to today's verdict, e. jean carroll -- a statement. this is a great victory for every woman who stands up when she's been knocked down, and a huge defeat for everybody who has tried to keep a man down. joining me now are neal katyal, form

e. jean carroll was a trusted journalist, a trusted writer with her e. column in the magazine. she called her a truth teller and the lawyer asked her to expand on that. e. jean carroll's attorney asked her to expand. she said she was accurate. she gave a lot of advice, so on and so forth. she said she gave her a raise at one point at her tenure at elle magazine. she was then questioned by alina habba as well. she asked her what e. jean carroll's salary was. there was an objection made. it was sustained. she asked her if she gave her opinion, objection, sustained as well. she asked her if she knew the circumstances as to why e. jean carroll left elle magazine in 2019. objection sustained as well. it went like that. it was pretty quick i got to say, about 15 minutes or so since the time you and i spoke last to now she's already on and off the stand. now we are in the portion that i talked about earlier of playing some video by e. jean carroll's attorneys. they played video of the former president outside this courthouse or inside this courthouse, i should

e. jean carroll brought, the first case e. jean carroll brought. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful. i start kissing them. it's like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. >> that's true with stars. >> true with stars that they can grab women by the [ bleep ]? >> well, if you look over the last million years i guess that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> i'm going to go to the lady on my panel in the middle, april ryan, first. the reality is, this man said that, and then became the president of the united states. i just want you as somebody who has actually absorbed his attacks and knows what he's like up close to give me your thoughts on that, the fact he became president, and the fact he is poised to be the republican nominee again. >> one, we forgot the tick-tack, how he uses a tick tack before he goes in on wo

e. jean carroll, the answer is theoretically she can continue to sue him, i don't think e. jean carroll wants a third lawsuit here but it's important to remember, the statements he made during and before the case, all of that came to the jury and if it goes to appeal, and he said he will appeal and he has the right, an appeals court to look at that when they are deciding, was he properly punished here with punitive damages, he is continuing to defame her up until and through the appeal, that can be taken into account. that is really the only recourse that e. jean carroll would have but who knows if $80 million will teach him a lesson or not. >> two notes on what donald trump said, quoting him when he claims she is not my type, of course social sought is not about type it's about abusive behavior and power, but beyond that, one of the weaknesses in donald trump's defense if you can call that during the first trial was, while he did testify, he did sit for a deposition and during the deposition he was shown a pitcher of e. jean carroll in the 1990s, when this event happened, a

e. jean carroll, the first case that e. ean carroll -- >> the reputation she has now is really ruined by donald trump. which he really wants is to be that journalist and advice columnist before she lied about her. >> sean crowley, you and -- have done amazing right. well done for the victory in that perspective. great birthday gift. primetime weekend continues ahead with joy reid. ♪ ♪ ♪ but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too. with nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt. in order for small businesses to thrive, nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. they need to be smart, efficient, savvy. making the most of every opportunity. that's why comcast business is introducing the small business bonus. for a limited time you can get up to $1000 prepaid card with qualifying internet. yup, $

e. jean carroll, which e. jean carroll acknowledged they were standing by the guy they always supported. she was able to use the five-hour period of time and the tweets during it to really draw some doubt in the jurors' minds has e. jean carroll sufficiently proven that the death threats and rape threats and jail threats that she has received over time were solely attributable to donald trump's having spoken out against her. and unfortunately, e. jean carroll's lawyers didn't do the job they could have done in showing that in fact there was causal relationship. for example, they could have presented a quantitative analysis to show, let's say there are some 300 tweets in the first five-hour gap, but as soon as donald trump releases his statement, you see hundreds of thousands of tweets in response to e. jean carroll and of a different degree. they got there with respect to the qualitative difference, they didn't get there with respect to the volume. alina habba was able to sow some doubt in jurors' minds about w

e. jean carroll case continued to not only on social media attack e. jean carroll. deny that he sexually abused her, deny that he knows her. in manchester, new hampshire, on the campaign stage said she fabricated the story. clearly donald trump doesn't care about the damages. >> who will hire alina habba in the future. >> a lot of lawyers think any publicity is good publicity. she'll have no end of clients. >> the way she has been conducting herself, reprimanded, the sanctions put on her. >> it has not been a positive overall assessment, but consider this. maybe alina habba has a different mission. it's a damages hearing. maybe she's speaking to a different audience than this jury and other lawyers watching in the new york southern district community. >> how does this play when donald trump says these things at the rally? >> he doesn't run from it. he does whatever it takes to make it a good line for himself politically. i can't tell you the number of folks i talked to. as a journalist, i have a hard time asking random folks waiting in line to sea donald trump, how

e. jean carroll and the entire case surrounding e. arroll and donald trump, including the payout, this massive historic payout in this defamation and libel suit, is absolutely helping donald trump. but i want to offer a caveat with that. it's helping because it's part of this larger victim narrative. he says the courts are corrupt. look at this massive payout. of course, he's calling into question, as very much donald, trump calling into question e. jean carroll as a person. so all these pieces, this is an attack on. us this is a reflection of a system that is rigged. so that is helping generate a energy amongst his core base. at the same time though, this is the caveat, at the same time, it is also deeply hurting his campaign and the larger institution of the republican party. and let me tell you why, because it's not just this case, it's not just the defamation case, it's also these other cases where trump is going have to pay out millions in damages. e. jean carroll has also said she is willing to sue him again if necessary. so ulti

e. jean carroll is saying to his attorney. carroll testified to, she talked about what happened afterwards, including text messages, it included facebook messages, tweets, and other communications for people where she said it was information they were saying to her, insults them like she was too ugly to go on living, and physical threats which terrified her. one of these encounters was after she went public, she was in a hotel room in new york, 11:30 at night, no curtain on the window and she decided to go on twitter and saw mean tweets about her calling her a liar. she checked her mailbox and said she saw a death threat. she said that she didn't describe it, she said in her reaction, i read it and i ducked. i thought i was going to get shot and didn't sleep that night for the fear going through her body when she started to get what became one of hundreds of messages that were threatening violence. she said she also received messages from people saying she hoped she was raped after her allegations were made public that donald

e. jean carroll, the first case that e. l brought. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful. it's like kissing them, it's like a magnet. just kiss. i don't even wait. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything, whatever you what. grab them by the -- you can do anything. >> that's true what stars. >> it's true with stars that they can grab people by the [bleep]? >> if you look over the last million of years it's been largely true, not always, largely true, unfortunately, or fortunately. >> do you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> i'm gonna go to the lady on my panel, april ryan, the reality is that this man said that and then became the president of the united states. i just want you as someone who's absorbed his attacks and knows what he's like up close, give me your thoughts on that, the fact that he became president, and the fact that he's poised to be the republican nominee? >> one, we forgot the tic tac, he uses a tic tac before he goes in on women, that was par

e. jean carroll's attorneys, the plaintiffs attorneys essentially talking about the state of mind e. jean carroll or what she felt as if was being threatened by the president of the united states. they painted a picture of e. jean carroll in her apartment in midtown manhattan and said to the jury, which is oftentimes how they play out with these closing arguments, imagine yourself in that situation in front of your computer seeing these threats coming in, filling your security and your life at risk, closing the drapes, locking the doors. closing the windows. being afraid to go out on the streets. put yourself in her shoes. that is how e. jean carroll felt. they painted a picture of a woman who was a highly successful opinion columnist who lost her column essentially because of the threats that were made against her, who lost her way to live essentially and to take care of herself financially, painting her as the victim. and then it was alina habba's turn. she made the argument that whatever former president trump did, it did not result in the threats that e. jean carroll faced. that w

e. jean carroll $5 million. that cases already on appeal. the money has been paid into the court and so once we win the appeal, we hope, that money will go to miss carroll. this case, likewise, will be appealed. we feel confident in our arguments and ultimately she will collect that judgment. >> this is a little minute show, but i want to get into it. there's always a sense, it's like the road runner never falling. is he going to have to pay up? so my understanding, the procedures are sort of escrow, where you have to pony up the money into some account that sits there until the appeal is done. is that correct? >> yes. that's basically correct. >> unless he wins on appeal, he's going to have to pay this money. >> he's going to have to pay at least a big portion of this money before he even winds on appeal. it has to be there to be certain that it's going to be there when we win the appeal. and then certainly after the appeal is, we hope, were victorious on appeal, he's going to have to pay it. >> can we talk about the pace of this? this start

e. jean carroll. >> so he said it was marla maples. it was actually e. jean carroll. aid previously that she's not his type, e. jean carroll is not his type. what's the strategy in showing this at trial today, paul? >> you know, it's to damage trump's credibility. he doesn't even recognize his own wife. you know, he probably will try to use that as part of his claim that he had never met ms. carroll, but guess what, when he claimed that in 2019 that he'd never met ms. carroll and that her claims were totally false and that she was just trying to sell a book, the first trial found that those statements by trump were lies and that they were defamatory. so in this trial, the jury and mr. trump have to accept those findings as fact. the only issue is how much in damages trump has to pay ms. carroll based on his e previous lies. and so all trump would testify about if he actually takes the stand is whether she was damaged as much as she claimed that she was. it's really hard to see trump sticking to those requirements, though. if he does testify -- and i think that's a big

e. jean carroll's lawsuit. but the doj eventually withdrew what it called its certification under a federal statute called the westphal act, saying when donald trump made those defamatory statements about e. jean carroll, he did it in his personal capacity. it wasn't like he was furthering any purpose or duty under the united states government as his role as the president of the united states. while carroll won, as it's been called, winding its way through the federal appellate assess tell, carroll two, that went into trial in 2023, tagged with a $5 million verdict of compensatory and punitive damages. the reason i lay that table for you is because it's important for people to understand, when you go to trial and there's a verdict reached, there's something called collateral estoppel, also called issue preclusion. what it means is if a jury's already decided the issue of liability on a particular claim and you have the same parties -- meaning donald trump and e. jean carroll -- in trial again, you can't relitiga

e. jean carroll it's concerned. but what this becomes now is part of the public narrative about donald trump's fitness for office. e. jean carroll, i don't, think we'll go home following this judgment. i've known her for a long time. we have been friends. i think she is someone who believes that people, men who do the sort of thing, should be held accountable. >> all right, this trial weighed heavily on trump. this week he shared a ton of false narratives and statements about carole. some of them previously ruled defamatory. 42 posts monday, 37 wednesday, here is the one that really gets me, 14 on friday while in court. that is pretty extraordinary. do you get the sense that the jury compensated carroll for all of these repeat offenses? the question is when? when will donald trump have to pay up? >> absolutely the jury consider this. roberta kaplan, e. jean carroll's lawyer, made this argument explicit. she said he has previously been found by a jury to be guilty of defamation. they awarded $5 million to carole. it w

e. jean carroll, and e. jean carroll's lawyers said she brought the suit to try to get donald trump to stop defaming her, stop from talking about her, i could not imagine. there are many women across the country that have had an experience similar to e. jean carroll. i am one of those women. i cannot imagine if i had to continuously take the man that raped me to court to get him to stop talking about me. it's important for that reason. it's also important, i think, politically like, oh, my god, should a rapist be president of the united states of america. i can't believe i have to utter that statement, and so you ask, is the biden campaign doing enough? i have not seen the campaign itself for the democratic national committee specifically lift this particular piece. i think they're not trying to overtly politicize it in that way, my read from the outside looking in. but i think this is something everyone should know about, regardless of who you voted for in the last election. >> i think he should, when it's a

e. jean carroll and donald trump are in the same courtroom and it is the first time they have seen each ades since the assault took place. and so e. jean carroll is at a table where she is surrounded by her lawyers and a second table behind her and donald trump is behind her, so he is about a table apart from e. jean carroll and so far she has not turned around to look at him when he walked into the courtroom. and the judge is laying out how this is going to play out, and there is nine jurors to hear this. and he has given a warning to carroll and trump not to say anything within earshot of the jurors and say anything to communicate directly or indirectly in front of a witness. and now, if he has said anything while campaigning and this is a shot across the bow for trump and the lawyers and e. jean carroll that they are not to make any statements to influence the jury here, and this is something that came up in the last trial telling trump several statutes that there could be several tripping of jury intimidation that had to be said to previous attorneys, but this is him laying it out at

e. jean carroll, tonight on chris hayes a lawyer for e. n carroll said that has already been put in an escrow account by donald trump because he's appealing that is well. tonight's like he can probably very reluctantly he's going to have to, he's got enough money, there by the civil cases coming down, it's gonna be a blow to him. we will be looking at asset sales. >> i was trying to follow your mask. that gets me into the 200 million niche rain range versus the 400 million he talked about last april. but if you add up today's judgment and whether tissue james is looking for in the new york civil fraud case, you're in the 450 million dollar range. what happens to a guy like donald trump? he does have assets beyond his cash. so it bankruptcy is for people, there's no way they're assets are going to match the liabilities. what is the worst-case scenario for donald trump? does he start liquidating things? >> he started liquidating, absolutely. in the case of the attorney general, that is a large verdict. no matter what, even if it's small or la

e. jean carroll as well. e. jean carroll is two rows in front of the former president.the attorneys asking for the case to be delayed because of melania trump's passing of her mother and the funeral is being held on tuesday. it is going to take three days or so. the former president could testify on monday if all goes according to plan. whether or not that happens, though, is really in question because, again, judge kaplan reiterated over and over again, this is not about relitigating those sexual assault claims that were made by e. jean carroll. that was already carried out in 2023 with that trial. so, as i'm taking a look at the notes here, i'm being told the jury is being brought in slowly because this is now about jury selection. and then opening statements will go on later on this morning as well. this is just a stop really for the former president after taking iowa last night, where he will go on to new hampshire later this evening after being here in this new york city courtroom, guys. >> dave, trump's attending the trial for a little bit. but will he testify thi

e. jean carroll. he's shown the photograph of him meeting e. jean carroll at a charity event. takes her in the photograph for marla maples, he's asked in the deposition, you said e. jean carroll is not your type. he said she isn't. he said, our youth three tuck wives or type? he said yes they are. that was a false statement. they play the testimony of trump bashing carroll, saying that he was offended by her, that this was a made-up story out of thin air. he calls her a whack job, and mentally ill. he says she's a liar, and a sick person. interestingly, the trump has said that if trump takes the stand, he can't say that things about e. jean carroll. he can't deny her, he can call or a liar, and he can't -- boo sales of her book. but the jury is hearing that on this direct testimony that was played by the plaintiffs case of trump making these statements. an attorney for carroll told the judge that her understanding that if trump takes the stand, and this is still debatable, that he is supposed to testify about what his state of mind was in june 2019 when he made the statement at

e. jean carroll. well, then when he issued two posts afterwards no mention of e. jean carroll, no attacks on her. and one thing to keep in mind he wants to continue attacking her. he believes that he was wronged in this case, but perhaps the message that e. jean carroll's lawyers which was if you keep doing this, we'll keep suing you or the message the jury sent the $83.3 million message is getting across to him. but there will be a large question what he will do when he's on the stump when he's speaking off-the-cuff. just to give you a little idea what we've heard recently take a listen to this. >> i meet a woman outside of bergdoff goodman. i took upstair tuesday a changing booth. it was all made up. i had no idea who she was and nor could i care less. it's a rigged deal. it's a made up fabricated story. >> so whether or not he can stay on message when he is speaking to a group of his supporters unfiltered and is as we know angry about this, that will remain to be seen. >> andrew, can you give us a s

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e. jean carroll. the jury deliberating for just about three hours and delivering this verdict awarding her $83.3 million. the way that they broke this down was that they said that herr emotional harm they would award carroll $7.3 million. to repair her reputation, $11 million. and for punitive damages to punish donald trump they awarded her $65 million. carroll's attorneys had argued to the jury in closing arguments that that was the only way to send a message to donald trump. he didn't respect the previous's jury's verdict finding them defamatory because he continued to make them within hours of a cnn town hall and he continued to make them entering his brief testimony on the stand. the jury clearly hearing that. trump's lawyers argued to the jury that he shouldn't be held responsible for mean tweets and they said carroll had asked for some of the attention she received. clearly the jury rejecting that argument. trump had called this judgment ridiculous. his attorney called it a witch hunt. take a lis

e. jean carroll, the other side, e. arroll's lawyers will have the opportunity to cross examine him. so, this could be pretty quick if she, indeed, only has three questions and of course, if your client, during these three questions, can stay within the guidelines laid out by the judge. right now, the jury is not in the room, so the two sides lawyers for e. jean carroll, lawyer for former president trump, and the judge, are just having a discussion about how this is going to go down. the reason they have to have all of these discussions is, of course, the former president has shown a habit when he has taken the witness stand, in recent weeks, of not abiding by the rules of the court. using the witness stand as an opportunity to hold sort of a campaign event, to rail against cases, to paint himself as a victim of an unfair judicial system, that's absolutely not how anyone else would be allowed to pay, certainly in federal court. his last appearance was of course the state court, but right now, his lawyer alina habba says

e. jean carroll are talking about this tonight. >> yes, lester, carroll just put out a statement moments ago saying, this is a great victory for every woman who stands up when she's been knocked down and a huge defeat for every bully who has tried to keep a woman down. but, lester, she may not see a dime of this money. as the former president says tonight, this is

e. jean carroll had talked about. there's emotional damage, that's the effect on her of two statements made by donald trump while he was president of the united states. i stress that because that's what e. jean carroll pointed to as to how much more harm there is to her when it's coming from somebody who is the sitting president of the united states. then there's reputational damage, that is something you alluded to in your opening. and finally, there's punitive damages. so there's all different aspects of types of damages. and my big take away from the defense attack in this case is basically you brought this on yourself by coming forward. it was quite remarkable in this day in age to have the sort of, you know what, you should have just kept quiet and then you wouldn't have had anything to coplain about. that's simply not the law and i would hope for the women and men on the jury that is soundly rejected as an argument. >> that argument feels so disdidn't. here's more reporting from what haened today. thiss during re

e. jean carroll, who has put in for up to $10 million in damages. onald trump, somebody who has not met scrutiny from his republican rivals, when we are talking about e. jean carroll, specifically, you have not heard anything from ron desantis or nikki haley for him being found liable for sexual abuse, and his comments from the debate stage were notable, and the governor that endorsed him was -- he smirked, and he said doug struggled to gain traction because he's not a controversial figure, and in order to be a popular figure, you have to have controversial. ron desantis suggested he would protect donald trump if he chose not to turn himself into new york authorities, saying he would not extradite trump from florida. take a listen to donald trump last night on that stage talk about his victory. >> this is the third time we have won. but this is the biggest win. this is the -- they said, well, if you win by 12%, that's a big win. that's going to be hard to do. i think we more than doubled that, i guess, tripled it, maybe. >> reporter: one fact check o

e. jean carroll. and three, did he tell anyone to harm e. jean carroll. after lengthy discussions, the judge say to the trump lawyer could ask the first question and the third question, but about the second question. the question the judge ruled out was why did you deny sexually assaulting e. jean carroll. what the grand role set up, the judge brought the jury into the courtroom and now that we have the transcripts at this light hour we finally know what was said. the judge said, ms. habba, you may call your next witness. miss habba, thank you, your honor. the defense calls president donald trump. deputy clerk, can you please state your name for the record. but witness, donald john trump. that judge, you might proceed, ms. habba. thank you your honor. question, mister president. you viewed your deposition which was played by plaintiffs counsel at length during the trial. didn't? you answer, yes i did. question, do you stand by your testimony at that position? answer, 100%. yes. question, do you deny the allegation because ms. carroll made an exhibition? a

e. jean carroll and had to pay $5 million in fines. this is about defamation of e. jean carroll beginning in 2019. and the furtherance of that defamation since then. so the question now, chris, is he going to in fact testify? judge kaplan laid out the rules front and center. essentially saying you cannot get on that stand and defame e. jean carroll further. you cannot get on the stand and say i did not do it, because you've already been found liable of sexual assault. if he does testify, he's on the witness list right now for the defense, we're looking at a timeline of monday right now. the defense says they need a day and a half for their case. the prosecution saying they need two and a half days or e. jean carroll's lawyers saying they need two and a half days. we're looking at three to five days of this trial and how long it goes on. >> all right, yasmin, thank you for that. we have been reading through the questions that are being asked there. at one point jurors are asked if they thought the 2020 election was stolen, two jurors said yes. and trump apparently tur

e. jean carroll? i think that the appeal on this, if done correctly, will be one that attacks the amount. not the fact that there was a verdict but rather, was the verdict excessive. and i think that that is where they're going to try to knock down the number. so i think that between that, obviously, he will have to post some kind of a bond. not the full amount. if they can put forth somewhat of a decent appeal on the amount of the number, and at the same time, if they do have appellate issues on the first case, that could affect the second case. and quite frankly, if write still there, i would be looking for a way to figure out, how do we figure out a resolution on this, a settlement to just put this to bed and move on. >> should he reconsider having his current legal team, having them represent him in that appeal? >> oh, yes. definitely. you shouldn't have the same lawyer that did the case do your appeal. that's generally inadvisable. the attorney who tried the case will have a lot of personal biase

e. jean carroll and her attorneys were expecting. more than three times what they asked for. the jury decided that trump's statements about carroll not only caused her to suffer, but were malicious and made out of spite, and for that he needed to be punished. tonight, david, donald trump says this is absolutely

e. jean carroll. >> oh, okay. >> reporter: he said repeatedly e. jean carroll is not his type and points out e. jean carroll in the photograph and says that's marla. that's marla maples, that's my wife, in a photo in which he's standing close by to e. jean carroll. one more thing, jose, i'll point out for you, when is this decision going to come down from the jury? there may or may not be court tomorrow. we don't have any confirmation of that either way. usually there is no court on friday. though because of this extended delay we had, because of covid over the last couple of days, there could be court if that happens we could hear a decision end of day tomorrow from this jury. when we're talking about numbers, e. jean carroll asking for $10 million and then plus question mark in punitive damages. overall, just down the street, we're waiting for a decision from judge engoron as well on the civil fraud trial, asking there letitia james for $370 million plus in liability in the next couple of weeks. we could see the former president paying out over $3

e. jean carroll has been decided. not in play. the issue of did donald trump defame e. jean carroll? not in play. what information could donald trump have about e. jean carroll's damages? so if donald trump takes the stand today, do not expect it to last long because he's going to veer outside those line real quick and this judge is going to shut it down real quick and if donald trump's goal here is to be shut down and made into a martyr he's got the right judge because judge kaplan will not allow donald trump to do what he did in the new york civil fraud trial and this could be over very quick. donald trump's motor cade has made it to court so the drama will begin shortly. procedurally, how will this go? and do you have some sense how quick three this might be decided? >> i'm expecting it should wrap up in the next two days because we were caught by surprise on monday when there was a sick juror. should things go as we expect, e. jean carroll has one more witness to put on and then the question is what kind of case does the trump side put on? we expect he will be the only witness if