e.c. that said the lawyer is the lawyer for the organization. what bob -- >> actually, what it said was the lawyer owes his allegiance -- >> it's even weaker. >> it's a very nebulous standard. >> interestingly -- i'm not trying to say this proves that mardian was not guilty. he did what the aba eventually adopted. he said to gordon liddy, i am not your lawyer, so i'm not your lawyer. i'm going to tell mitchell everything you tell me. all right? a question that you asked and cross-examination, did you explain to liddy that mitchell could waive the privilege. mardian's response was that was a risk that liddy had to take, all right? but, of course, we all know that liddy didn't worry about that because he knew that john mitchell knew as much as he did, so he was not concerned that mitchell was going to turn him in, so i think that was -- >> because what he was saying was that mitchell was the one who was behind it all. >> right. >> so, of course, he was going to withhold it and not reveal this. >> but in another thing that you have to emphasize, th