normally e.d. nixonld have been that person, but there was also another man named rufus lewis who was interested in voter registration, and when people get elected, holding them in office to do something while they are there, and that those persons need -- going to need the followers of both of them. so we need to get them. so jo ann says one, i know who the spokesman ought to be. it ought to be my pastor, martin luther king, haven't been in town long, haven't been involved in any civil rights activities, but one thing he can do, he can move people with words. i said fine. i said well, let me suggest two -- these other two leaders because we need them to be in key roles, e.d. nixon who knew phillip randolph the black labor leader in new york who was president of his union, and if we make him the treasurer, we're going to need money to try to help do all the work that needs to be done and phillip randolph would help to do it, make him treasurer. then rufus lewis, a former coach at alabama state, well resp