there's such a patchwork around the country. >> e.j. dion we have seen the conservative movement in this country. when they get pressured, they get their back and they do the same thing. where is this going to go? and it is going to evolve into a campaign issue? >> i think it is unevolving into a campaign issue. i think a lot of conservatives felt they were losing in the courts and on public opinion. the way to fight one right is to assert another right. they came up with this religious liberty strategy. i don't think they anticipated the pushback they were going to get from businesses. i am in favor of religious liberty. i think it is very unfortunate that words religious liberty have become associated with discrimination. i think the government cannot force a church to perform a same-sex marriage. i think that's very different than letting businesses discriminate against people who come in for business. the fact is i think most gays and lesbians would rather have a caterer or a florist who wants to celebrate their union, but what would the