e.j. dionne and is a lo and salon.com's joan walsh. e.j., what does this controversy reveal to the mainstream about the republican party? >> well, i think this shows that there are a significant number of republicans, including those senators you saw, who at this moment are willing to identify with what you might almost call a neo-confederate view of the federal government. he is saying the federal government doesn't exist. i don't like the word treason because people throw it around at anyone they disagree with, but i think he falls within the technical definition of that. and the notion that someone who doesn't want to pay the federal government what he owes it doesn't recognize the federal government, the notion that this person is lifted up as a patriot tells us something really terrible about how some people on the right are thinking these days. and i hope that this episode actually causes some conservatives to say hold on, we've got to stop this and stop trying to delegitimate the federal g

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joining me now congresswoman democrat from washingtro wiscon e.j. dionne. >> good to be here. >> you've seen voter suppression in our own state. how do we fight back? >> listen, rev, it sounds like you guys had a wonderful time with the president and i was just chuckling to hear him really deliver the words so humoro humorously. but it is not funny. we have been on the battleground here, you should siege for two years with governor scott walker. we have a supreme court case, a state supreme court case, and a federal case that's on appeal. and governor scott walker has said that if they don't reverse their ruling that these voting right id's were unconstitutional, that he would, in fact, call the legislature back in a special session to tweak his voter id law because as far as he was concerned, it was the most pressing issue in the state. >> wow. >> and that is a direct quote. not health care, because he didn't take the medicaid funding, not high unemployment or, you know, hunger among children. but getting his voter id law in place before november. >> now

joining me now are e.j. dionne and melissa harris perry. thank you both for being on the show tonight. >> absolutely. >> good to be with you. >> melissa, five year, an election, a supreme court decision and now the proof that it works. why can't republicans just accept reality and move on? >> first of all, you have to respect just the extent to which they stick to message, right? there is some value in that in politics. i think that's part of what's going on here. if you ask republicans what have you accomplished the last five years? the answer is, we have fought obama care. because that can be their answer, they then don't have to answer, well, we pass this legislation or done this. it's a little bit of a smoke and mirrors. we're going to be over here looking looic we're doing a lot. and the thing we're doing is actively working against a law, as you point out, is being implemented, working well at this point. and then that keeps us from having to be accountable for anything else on the other side. >> you know, and maybe i'm sure i'm a lit

joining me now is e.j. dionne, political analyst and columnist for "the washington post" and nia malik-henderson, also with "the washington post." us collectivists had a very bad day in the david koch op-ed piece. i think he have used the word collectivist or collectivism. when he was in elementary school, that word was used here and there before people started using communist and socialist. but the thinking in that op-ed piece was captured completely in the title. >> first of all, if that's the best we can do, i don't think we collectivists are in any trouble at all. i found it an astonishing piece. in the first place, this is a guy who's spending tens of millions of dollars attacking other people, and then he is suddenly offended that people might hit him back? and, you know, i write an op-ed column. i will share with him the comments written under my column or the e-mail i get which i can't recite on this family show. if you get into the debate, people are going to hit you back. the notion he can attack people