e.j. dionnewalsh. joan wals this morning, e.j., i woke up, turned on local news. and the local news story said dispute over size of crowds and essentially did the trump team says one thing on the one hand, the fact checkers and facts say something on the other hand. they did exactly the thing that i was most afraid would happen. and so if we in the national media were to do everything that masha gesson suggested but the local news still plays into trump's hands, are we just doomed? >> i don't think we're doomed. first of all, i appreciate you mentioning at the top, it's an honor to be with masha gesson here who's a very brave woman confronting vladimir putin and her piece was really formative in my own view of everything going forward because part of what an autocrat does is to deny reality and try to shape his own reality, regardless of what the facts are. and, yes, there cannot be an equivalence between truth and lies. there are certain things that are debatable. there are many views that are d

joining me is e.j. dionne and evan mcmullin.n, i'm going to start with you, you ran for president. the idea of donald trump soon-to-be president of the united states, tweeting that only stupid people would object to us having a good relationship with russia. straw man, odd thing to say, what do you make of it? >> it certainly is a straw man. it goes without saying that it would be wonderful for our country if we had better relations with russia, but part of those better or improved relations with russia must include their stopping to attack democracy here in the united states and in europe and elsewhere. this is absolutely critical. i mean it's alarming that we have a president-elect who wants to align our country and his administration with the very foreign power that is attacking democracy globally, especially in europe and in the united states. our democracy is perhaps the most important thing, our ability to hold free and hafair elections is the most important thing to our national security. that's how we guarantee our right

joining me are e.j. dionne, jennifer rubin, and bill nye, the science guy, you said the "e" word in a book, bill nye, i'm going to come to you first. this is pretty amazing. you have donald trump denying that he had fewer people at his inauguration than barack obama did. and by the way, last sunday we had about three times as many people watching this particular program, "a.m. joy," then attended donald trump's inauguration, more than three times, actually. that is a numerical, statistical fact. no shade. why do people deny what they can see with their very eyes and what do you make of the rebellion of civil servants against trump? >> well, here is our problem. by "our" i mean all the citizens of the u.s. if you have an ideology, the research is pretty compelling, if you have an ideology, you see what you want to see. and there is a criteria now called science curious. and it's whether or not you're surprised by new information. and so we want to encourage people to surprise themselves, and we strongly believe

. >> and joining me now from washington is e.j. dionne ryan and visiting professor david marinis. i have to start with this news that "esquire" has came out with that has been refuted by sean spicer from the trump team. "esquire" is reporting that the trump administration may evict the press from the white house. the excerpt says they are the opposition party, a senior official says, unnamed. i want them out of the building. we are taking back the pressroom. april, i have to go to you on that first because you're in that pressroom. what do you make of it? >> let me say this, to sean spicer's credit, as someone who's a white house correspondent, been that for 20 years, sean and i as we're going through th transition, i have been able to talk to sean. sean talks to me, so that's one good thing. but when you deal with moving the press out of the white house, we are built into the framework of this nation. when you talk about moving people out, it makes you wonder -- i mean it's not just one person or one organization, you're talking about th

and the author of fracture, barack obama the clintons and the racial divide and the coeditor with e.j. dionne of the upcoming book we are the change we seek. yes, with speeches of barack obama. [applause] >> this was supposed to be the year of the women, and we have woman's advocate. it was supposed to be the yeare of the woman. [laughter] it was supposed to be. [laughter] sometimes to keep from crying you have to laugh, right? without further ado i want to introduce to you doctor avis jones-deweever, the author of the award-winning book how exceptional black women lead cometh out of exceptional leadership institute for women. you see her about on tv with our regularly coaches also regular guest host on various and various leading television programs to include tv one as well as pbs to the contrary. let's give her a big round of applause. >> will go down the road to baltimore, my hometown. be more careful town. [laughter] with a gentleman i just saw on with oprah winfrey. we are stepping in some high cotton.d step [laughter] i would like to introduce to you wes moore, a decorated army combat