>> well, e.m.r. stands for the experience modification rate, and it's used by the -- by osha to evaluate safety standards in the workplace. so typically, the national standard's about one. of course, a lower e.m.r. rating lower than one is better. higher than one is -- is one is worse. to my knowledge, i'm not aware of how the other city departments use the e.m.r. rating. we're currently within discussions within the p.u.c. to evaluate and establish a consistent portion of our questionnaire in order to make sure that we quantify favorable rating versus an unfavorable rating and -- for our future evaluation. >> supervisor yee: do you know if this e.m.r. rating is predependable? >> based on what i know, the e.m.r. rating is -- base odd what i understand, it's -- it's a way to normalize large firms as well as smaller firms in terms of their safety rating. obviously, if you have several incidents that are used to evaluate the rate, it would quantify your number quite a bit much more consistently than if

with all respect to the department heads, osha does not create e.m.r. e.m.r. is created by the industry -- the insurance industry. the insurance industry determines what rate it's going to pay you based on the last three years of your performance. point in order, those that create an accident today can have a e.m.r. less than one. that will not be reflected for three more years, so there's a fallacy that this is a good e.m.r. i've provided ten talking points why e.m.r. is a failed way to determine safety. we look forward to working with the board and committee to determine a method that is good for safety. someone can kill somebody on a job, and the e.m.r. will not move. you can sprain and amnkle and have your e.m.r. go up by 50%. and that may be use today discriminate them for future job opportunities because of an e-m-r that is not in line with city proet cal that may be established in the future. thank you. >> supervisor yee: thank you. any other public comments? if not, why don't we close public comments now. okay. so of the three departments represented,