you support or e.u. and you disagree with the nation state you want to see that on your mind well i don't the nation state is actually the cornerstone of democracy within any country when you have a nation state that's what works best because the e.u. is undermined the nation state and because germany economic policy has been imposed on countries where it doesn't fit such as italy greece and as you know well and of course spain then we see economic harm and we see konami damage really the the answer is to return powers to nation state not destroy it as you want ok david jump in where you say look david please. going in opposite direction and arguing that the european union should cease to exist altogether and it should break up into its component parts but the point then is where does it all ends where does our end but do you then remorseless germany to to its component parts to just escalate its component parts and where does the end of the u.k. do you have england boiled down to to its ancient came to y

e.u. is. ok you are right that iceland has gone through the crisis that is what most of the countries in the south of europe are doing now they are going through an austerity that they would anyhow with or without the european european union have to go through because what we live now is that many member states many countries also of the u.k. but especially germany belgium france have lived with money over the last two years that they don't have any especially the southern countries of europe that is why the reaction we see now the austerity policy would have come anyhow something david what do you know they really don't work ahead david what do you think about that because again i don't understand how you square the circle here how can europeans be attracted to more europe as they say as they're experiencing this crisis and this crisis for many could be generational ok and we have the rise of nationalist rhetoric and all this i mean i think you guys sometimes are very idealistic about what europe's

really constituted as a political body or not in other words what's the status of democracy in the e.u. . you know with respect to differences between countries like germany and greece or germany in the u.k. there is a question of what kind of democracy the e.u. constitutes and therefore what kind of policy what kind of politics is constituted there and i think that that really raises the question of from from my mind of socialism and you know true democratic accountability we're almost out of time i want to give you the last word here and we're going to know is the world going back into recession or the recession getting deeper. well it depends on how much money they print if they print a lot of money we may have a lot of phenomenal growth so we may not see a minus number there on the picture but i am absolutely not optimistic about the economies of the u.s. and europe relatively more hopeful on asia on russia and a lot of the emerging markets all right gentlemen on that depressing note many thanks to my guest today in hong kong london and in chicago and thanks to our viewers for watching yo

to do is to complete the crucifix and give a normal dose of the normal independence day with the e.u. you want independence so there isn't more to the u.k. than we can keep these a move to the e.u. we could book this is something that really has been proven by official u.k. tours are a statistics you know course it's going to do going to reconnect with. time now for more of the world's news from our there have been for clashes between hundreds of students and police in chile's capital they've been protesting for months over a wall they say limits the right to public assembly violations punishable with up to three years in jail security forces deployed water cannons on the students and made several arrests. the radical islamist cleric abu holmes our has pleaded not guilty to terrorism charges as he appeared in a new york federal court it follows his extradition from britain along with four other men to face trial on charges of kidnapping tourists in yemen and plotting to set up a training camp for militants in the u.s. a trial date has been fixed for next year i will have to answer to a to

dimitri i don't know they say good job keeping peace during this time when you come together as the e.u. you know there hasn't been a world war two since you're formed but it's a it's a europe it's a monetary union and a trade union and a political union and the last time they had a new war was forty five so i don't really get well and there are social unrest in all of these countries that are subject to austerity and also the e.u. was involved with the us in war with libya it's not exactly like it's being entirely peaceful and also one thing i want to point out there working with mr barroso and vandar on boy to go to the nobel prize ceremony later this year i all i can say is i can't wait to see this parliament. does not go that happened he was sent on a memo he sent a memo about this book real quick these guys love ceremonies by the way all these like bureaucrats and central planners they just love all these ceremonial things all right so anyway i think that in the view of the servant of the screen of everything else let's move on briefly because when jamie dimon spoke at c.f.r. earlier th

back from brussels are british politicians trying to divert blame for problems at home to the e.u. . do you know i always try and see that the u.k. is one of the few e.u. countries actually to be back in recession the other is city and conservative ministers always looking. to avoid to push the blame on to the rather than on to their or their will stare a c. program. and go to leave the e.u. aid is actually supported by i believe around eight cabinet ministers that's because there's actually little. likelihood of the. thing the even katie hopes out of parts of this and. that's why i believe either u.k. should threaten to leave the leave a cobbled together in the hope that will then persuade brussels to grant concessions car. i love from london ga even political blogger thank you george. a libyan opposition stronghold is facing an ongoing siege with the residents calling for international help the conflict in bali bombing rather wally's already killed ten people in a series of armed confrontations last week the siege began when the national congress tried to arrest the suspected murderers of

why do you think they chose the e.u.? ou look back 70 years they only had the balkans war. europe has been saved and pay it -- peaceful. is a little aspiration all. that the european union do more. >> should you have the economies that were also? >> piece was insured by nato and the deterrent combined with the united kingdom is very complex. it has the elected parliament but has no power. it did is ruled by a appointed bureaucrats. even this has been highlighted with democratic the efficiency and then give soreigy away to europe they have never given people a referendum. human-rights stifles free-speech they will make any dissension illegal. they find the leader in britain coming up to be the second party a tremendous fine for his personal view. gerri: something that shocked and surprised me angela merkel went to greece to talk to people as they try to help them to bail out from their problems and met with nazi protesters. there has been so much violence. how does the you deserve this award? >> exactly. >> greece is one co

really you know constructive it's not needed it's a useless government level between you know the flemish government and the e.u. why should we have a state when we see that flanders is already competent as a region for agricultural policy etc all right live from brussels belgium your m.p. philip klaus thank you for your time ok. iran says it might consider limiting its enrichment of higher grade uranium if it's allowed to have fuel for research reactor it's a revival of a previous offer to try and break the talks a deadlock over the country's nuclear program but germany wants to continue getting tough urging the e.u. to heighten the already crippling sanctions let's get the thoughts of professor side mohammad marandi from tackling university. professor side mohammad marandi thank you for joining our team now how would you assess iran's move here why is it conceding. well iran's policy hasn't changed. it is as it was before the iranians are willing to be more open and allow more intrusive inspections and they're willing. to talk about enriching uranium at twenty percent under certain conditions but in general n

great if we opted out of all the following areas but remained in the free market will you know idea whether the e.u. is going to give you that and so you that that's a meaningless question unless the renegotiation has already been completed by then and that's how i think it should happen let me be is generous as i can do people want to stay in and it's fair about this is like and. if the problem is timing and what is going to emerge from the eurozone crisis because that's what we're told no one now admits to being against a referendum in principle what they're all there now saying is now isn't the right time we've got to see what emerges fine if that's the case then pre-announce now and pretty legislate now for a referendum to take place in let's say twenty sixteen that's plenty of time you've then got four years you supporters of membership to come back with a deal that you reckon you can sell to the british people. and the fact that you preannounced that referendum means that all of the other member states also understand that if you don't get the deal that you can sell to the country the alterna

of they stick it out do you not of the united nation is it mr fine admitted he where does he know where is the united nation where is the e.u. where is that you were next worked at where i how we asked for it and if in should know as soon as the voice of a police. well for those who did manage to escape the violence inside bani walid even for those then the suffering was not over policy or explains why many including children found themselves stranded on a desert road. there were conflicting reports that the city had fallen these reports have proven untrue but not before thousands of bani walid residents try to make their way back to the city now we are hearing from our sources on the ground that these people have been stopped by word blocks that have been set up by militias at the entrances and exits to the city that there has been firing in the air live scale panic and that thousands of people are on the desert highway look at this. this get this gun and this people know this thing now i don't know one week now this libyan go outside and that they know what we're doing when i was leaving when i think when we're in one of

e.u. but you seen how the crisis playings those countries and a returning home of all real estate properties sold last year almost a quarter of the guys were returned migrants muesli by two to three room apartment with up to one thousand euros in the last two three months alone more than a thousand families booked flats here which makes around a hundred million euros worth of investment into property in just one of ukrainian regions the overall sum of european money ending up in ukrainian spoke its is even more astonishing last year ukraine was able to receive up to seven billion years dollars from the ukrainian menials currently working abroad and that's coming from the country's worst affected by the financial crisis spain italy and portugal where many businesses have grown reliant on migrant ukrainian workers you might think their return home should benefit both sides but in reality economists believe this may spell trouble for ukraine amount of ram it answers we usually receive in front of me is going to go down. from seven billion i would expect that should be on the level of five billi

e.u. and the u.k. why did you decide to clear the subtitle is britain and europe is not a is not a marriage. piece although well it's an interesting one i read the review of a work by a marriage guidance counsellor i didn't read the book but the review said something fascinating. it said that a relationship can take a lot of arguing that raul's are not a bad thing because if you are arguing with your husband or wife it suggests that you care enough about his or her view that you want to change it it's when the rowels give way to contempt when the stormy sessions fall silent and give way to scorn the relationship is over and i think something similar has happened even in the time that i've been an m.e.p. when i was first elected constituents would write to me very angrily and say outrageous that the budget is on approved outrages that all the money is being spent on these agricultural and foreign aid boondoggles outrages that the system is so undemocratic and now. what you get much more often is a kind of you know

e.u. when you will go through the present difficulties and will sail through the rough seas in the end i believe that the euro will be a stronger currency long before but you already see that it holds more than hold for example of the american dollar doing well in the. open for example a point five percent stronger than the so i think it is a currency that will. in iceland you have this special situation we are probably the smallest the nation with an independent currency and then be globalized world we find ourselves i mean if you're a small country with very little independent currency you you become like a prey that is attacked by all these sharks all the hats so. therefore a lot of icelanders they think that in future there will be felt with a new growth so that is what we really are seeking well oh yes. but mind you this is something that will be it's a decision that will be taken by the people also holding a referendum we've already. put in a lot of what we're seeking by joining the european union is. greater currency area with greater stability lowered rates and hopefully better shelter f

mean we saw bomb awarded in two thousand and nine in the middle of you know heavy conflicts and now we're seeing it awarded to the e.u. which is you know doesn't exactly have the most peaceful past to begin with even though it has i guess prevented european democracies from having war but. i kind of think this is this is shows a sort of political line that the nobel. or the nobel prize peace prize has started it started to take and in recent years so the would be top of your list. no no it would not be the top of my list i think it's i think it's not good. the real reason we got you here tonight what are your thoughts about this we witnessed the clash. because those for and against cut those independents. could this could could these clashes escalate. well i mean right now we have to sort of situate what's going on at the right now and a sort of broader context of what the policies have been in catalonia for the last year or so since the government came into office basically he was sort of the pioneer of a lot of the austerity that the spanish government has been carrying out and that was actually starting to have a