. >> final equipment was told opposite that anytime someone get eades electricitied to the senate they're thinking about the vice-presidency or the presidency. are you going to jump into the big race? >> not this guy. this is good enough for me. >> wisconsin senator ron >> thank you. >>> i want makeup. >> are you rolling? >> welcome back to "roske on politics." if you watch this show you know who this is. the chief national correspondent for "new york times" magazine, author of this town and citizens of the green room, mark leibovich. >> thank you for having me on. >> we chatted in front of the white house, and if you want to read an amazing story about running for congress, he wrote it for "the new york times." we capacity in front of the white house about iowa being a sound stage. here we are in milwaukee. we chatted like that last summer. how is this presidential campaign different from others or is it the same old same old? >> well, very different. a very different campaign in that the entertainment portion endless. it's four, five months running, this expectation that the seriousness