as i listen to this debate, i go back to the comments that secretary eagleburger made. if you read it, it becomes clear. [laughter] >> i might add one other thing. causes beyond the 58 convention, in the pirate's right to board state vessels, the observation that enables us to deal with some is powerful, and something that we used to a great defect. it does not impede our ability, it enhances our ability to deal with practical at-sea elements. you went on with what to do after we catch them, and that has been addressed. >> i will move from behind a pillar. thank you. my name is philip saunders. i made in in canada. -- i am 8 been in canada. i want to reflect on our experience. we actually signed the convention in the 1982 and rapidly proceeded to ratify the vote 20 years later. [laughter] >> after debates that replicated some of what has happened here, it has not taken on the overtly political, left-right tone. there was a lot of talk about the things we stood to lose if we ratified, rather than the benefits. we stayed outside for quite some time. things like the abilit