>> aye. >> director eaken? >> no. >> director heminger? >> no. >> director hubky? >> aye. >> torres no. the item fails adoption. >> so do you want to -- should we, a, as a board, would it be helpful to have d.e.m. come and table this for another meeting or take it up at the end of the agenda, should director heinicke want to weigh in? >> i just think in this particular instance for this particular item, in addition to kind of like longer-term policies around this, i think it would be really helpful, it would be great to see better justification for why we need these 20 spaces, you know, more data to director eaken's point. maybe some more, you know, alternatives to consider, time-limited, things, time limitations on these spaces to address the issue of employees coming in on off-hours. that sort of thing. i think that would maybe address some of the concerns here, at least in the short-term and then obviously longer term looking at the issue and more holistically. >> okay. directors, do we have an opinion about whether or not -- i do think that it would be helpful