fofor myself and a lot of people at the national eakers association, it'a premier place to learn the business of speaking. it's an easy business to get into, , but not an eaeasy business to get successful at over time. anyone can bececome a coaoach, but to sustain that, tre is almost no place to learn that other than the nationals uighu association where you're hanging around with people who are successful speakakers. -- national speakers association where you are hangg around with pple who are successful speakers. the national speakers asassociation has put out to books about e business of getting paid to speak how do you get paid to speak and paid to speak consistently over time, other thanan being a celebrity? rebecca: or someone who survived to season three of survivor. bill: and there you go. those people come onto the scene for a while, are hot for a while, a then they go away, unless they have been able to build d something over time that gives them staying power. rebea: i think ted talks are a great example. some people yonever heard of give ted talks because they have a comp