host: we are joined by earl anthony wayne, a former deputy u.s. ambassador to afghanistan and current fellow at the wilson center. remind folks what years were -- he were in afghanistan and what the political and military situation was. guest: from 2009 through 2011 and i worked on afghanistan from washington at the very start of our involvement in this century from the fall of 2001 to the beginning of 2003 working on the coordination. so, the time that i went back to afghanistan was during the period where we were surging military and civilian forces into the country with efforts to really boost the work against the taliban and to try and boost the government of afghanistan in its capacity to deliver services and to govern well in the country. host: you said you saw the start, and the surge, did you ever expect you would see americans being airlifted out of kabul at the end? guest: the thought sometimes passed through my mind, but i did not think i would see it happen. and i hope very much that we would use a combination of policies so that did n

host: we are joined by earl anthony wayne, a former deputy u.s.sador to afghanistan and current fellow at the wilson center. remind folks what years were -- he were in afghanistan and what the political and military situation was. guest: from 2009 through 2011 and i worked on afghanistan from washington at the very start of our involvement in this century from the fall of 2001 to the beginning of 2003 working on the coordination. so, the time that i went back to afghanistan was during the period where we were surging military and civilian forces into the country with efforts to really boost the work against the taliban and to try and boost the government of afghanistan in its capacity to deliver services and to govern well in the country. host: you said you saw the start, and the surge, did you ever expect you would see americans being airlifted out of kabul at the end? guest: the thought sometimes passed through my mind, but i did not think i would see it happen. and i hope very much that we would use a combination of policies so that did not hap

earl anthony wayne discusses the latest developments in the country and u.s. policy in the