cease-fire for an international audience, in your estimation, how many russian forces currently are in eastern ukraine? what specific steps you would like to see the russians take in coming days? thank you. >> thank you. sec. mattis: defensive weapons are not provocative unless you are an aggressor. clearly, ukraine is not an aggressor since it is its own territory where the fighting is happening. as far as my discussions with the commander in chief, with the president, i owe him some confidentiality on that. i prefer not to answer that right now. mr. president? president poroshenko: i want to support what the secretary said. we demonstrate a very high level of responsibility. when we have any defensive opportunity, including what we have from the united states. we have our own antitank weapons. having a discussion about supply to ukraine and defensive weapons could be just to increase the price if russia made the decision to attack my troops in my territory. that would be strong motivation to stop them from the very irresponsible step. i can consider that exactly like this. at the same time, i thank

response to russia's aggression in eastern ukraine and its annexation of crimea, the obama administrationpped moscow with a series of sanctions in march 2014. these constraints also affect some companies and russia's financial defense and energy sectors. in december 2016, obama added some dozen russian businessmen, companies, and government enterprises to blacklist. that same month, the stakes changed when the u.s. accused the kremlin of meddling in the 2016 u.s. presidential election. obama punished those that might have been complicit in the hacking. new sanctions were imposed on russia's top intelligence agencies. this, along with the immediate expulsion of 35 russian diplomat's who were working in the u.s.. if moscow had hoped for an easier time with trump, it has been left as sorely disappointing. before taking office, donald trump had hinted at wrapping sanctions to repair ties with russia. instead, the white house said it would maintain the obama administration sanctions. washington then announced more penalties for moscow in june, these targeting 38 individuals and organizations a

with russian forces in eastern ukraine supporting the separatists.eason why we have seen a worsening in the relationship between the west and russia and that's the reason why nato has responded, both with our military buildup, but also with economic sanctions, which has been imposed by not only nato alines but nato allies and european allies. >> secretary-general, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >>> coming up, a drug-infested den. that's how president trump labeled new hampshire in his phone call with mexico's president. now new hampshire senator maggie hansen is calling him out. about to join us live. she's up on capitol hill. >>> we'll be right back. (dog) mmm. this new beneful grain free is so healthy... oh! farm-raised chicken! mmm...that's some really good chicken. i don't think i've ever tasted chicken like this. what!? here come the accents. blueberries and pumpkin. wow. that was my favorite bite so far. not even kidding. i mean that was... ...oh! spinach! mmm. that's like three super foods. pretty, uh, well...super. now i got kin

what happened to the annexation of eastern ukraine is things become unmanageable and the tensions have spiraled out of control. and it was one thing on top of another rather than a particular incident since then that has create the broader climate. and russia's actions during the election in 2016 are only understandable in the context of the broader crisis in the u.s.-russia relations that has been underway since 2014. in other words, russia had the capability to do what it did in 2016 and 2017 and probably even 2008. it's a very capable cyber actor but it didn't. and the reason i think is that it's gotten to a place where risk taking behavior has become something that the russian government is more prone to engage in because of the war footing that they feel they're on more broadly. host: how large is our relationship with russia economically in other ways today? guest: economically, it's pretty insignificant. it's less than 1% of u.s. overall trade, which is -- and it's decreased significantly since these sanctions were first imposed in 2014. there are ways in which we depend on russ

enemies of ukraine that's a quote and also collaborating with terrorists for their reporting in eastern ukraine and critics have described as a witch hunt websites but going back to. well a lot of journalists around the world as well as human rights organizations have raised concerns over this as well as the issue of press freedom in ukraine. thank you very much indeed and if you'd like to know more about that story and any of our of those head to our website. north korea. one certainly gets that impression listening to washington's war is north korea. of course it is but it is also under threat is there still time for diplomacy. in case you're new to the game this is how. the economy is built around. washington. voters businessman to run this country business if. you must it's not business as usual it's business like it's never been done before. here's what people have been saying about rejected in the us is it just. the only show i go out of my way to you know what it is that really packs a punch at least yap is the john oliver of r t americans do the same we are apparently better than that a

to reduce or end their support for ethnic russian separatist eastern ukraine. is it actually to return crimea. some are doing and some are not. i'm not sure we have a very clear idea in washington of what our objectives are and we need to have that. >> dan. >> i agree with you george and i won't repeat what you just said and i also think on the converse side sometimes i wonder how clear the russian strategy is for what they want in ukraine. [laughter] >> they know what they don't want. >> there are two sides to this coin. >> that's right. >>, but i add on our own side, the russians aren't going to move off the planet. at some point we are going to have a better or at least a better mutual understanding. i think while we've got this difficult political relationship, it's worth pursuing some of the other avenues that we've used in the past in terms of cultural exchanges, education exchanges, economic and commercial, to build between two peoples while we have the difficult geopolitical situation. >> thank you very much. please join me in thanking our panel. [appla

he has a great sense of what he can get away with nell went into eastern ukraine. now he's hitting walls. but almost by sheer accident our russia policy evolved very, very well. kennedy: and quickly. this is obviously a major shift for the administration. i'm wondering is putin is thinking, man, i gout into power and this is how you thank me? >> i'm sure he is. life is full of wonderful ironies. russian efforts to influence our election backfired enormously. the great news for america is our system of checks and balances is work. founding fathers were great, the constitution saw the future through a crystal ball. congress is under no illusions. republican, democrat. the russians are our enemy because putin has chosen to make them our enemies. there is nothing against the russian people. i'm perfectly happy to let them drink themselves to death. putin is a menace, we have got to take him seriously and i think at last we are. kennedy: thank you very much for your unorthodoxed insight. >> accurate insight. kennedy: 0 republicans want to bring in a second special couns

. >> those sanctions that russia is in the eastern ukraine and there's a package according to the "wall street journal" of armaments coming to the president, have you reviewed that of the proposal to arm the ukraines against the rebels? >> we're already giving support to ukraine. the question is what kind of support do they need to further prevent further invasions of their territory, to prevent aggressive action against ukraine. >> weapons though? >> what's useful to talk about is defensive capabilities. does ukraine desire, need, based on the situation there greater defensive capability? it doesn't matter what it is specifically. that's one of the things we're looking at, what form of support yo ukraine needs that consistent with our interest and ensuring that russia doesn't take further destabilizing or offensive action that could lead to a much broader conflict. this is a dangerous situation. i have to recognize, it's a a dangerous situation of russia's creation. and so what we're endeavoring to do with our allies is to do everything we can to prevent that conflict from growing. >>

crimea, he still has troops in eastern ukraine dividing the country. he has been a malevolent force in syria. what is the strategy for president trump here? how does he respond to this? we saw this extraordinary situation where the president was repudiated in congress to sanction russia. if you were to give him advice what would it be? [laughter] >> not to put you on the spot. ms. rice: thanks. devices, make sure you know who vladimir putin is. he is someone who likes to humiliate, someone who likes to dominate, someone who essentially understands power. so don't go into a room with vladimir putin unless you are in a pretty powerful position and that means -- when you go to talk to vladimir putin, first, continue the policy that the obama administration began. maybe even accelerate the policy at least on aces rotating basis but possibly on a permanent basis in places like poland and the baltic states. you say to him, this far, no further. secondly, i like raising the defense budget as a signal to the russians. third, i think you have to say to the russ

separatists who with russian military training and capability are making a mess of eastern ukraine for kiev to e govern the country. so, i think it is time to arm them. i think you have to show him that you are tough areas of you can find cooperation. host: with me is stephen moore ith the heritage foundation project for economic growth and we are talking about the economy heidi shierholz with the economic policy institute senior economist and policy. of good morning to you. i want to start with a "new york headline that caught your attention over the weekend asically saying as jobs grow and dow climbs trump takes credit. question, should he? what do you this? guest: it is a pretty simple know. the momentum in the labor market started before he came into if anything it slowed we t the last six months added 179,000 jobs on average. to per month compares 208,000 over the same six months last year. anything it is a little bit of a slowdown but generally thumb is the president takes credit. before we e a while can see any trump effect. host: stephen moore. guest: the economy has accelerate

putin still has troops in eastern ukraine, dividing that country. he has annexed crimea. he has been a malevolent force in syria. what is the strategy for president trump? how does he respond to this? we saw this extraordinary situation where the president was repudiated by republicans in congress. there was a big vote to sanction russia. if you were to give advice to him, what would it be? [laughter] >> not to put you on the spot too much. >> well, thanks. [laughter] first, be sure you know who vladimir putin is. vladimir putin is someone who likes to humiliate, dominate, and essentially understands power. and so don't go into a room with vladimir putin unless you are in a pretty powerful position. that means, when you go to talk to vladimir putin, first let's continue the policy the obama administration began, maybe even accelerate the policy of putting forces at least on a rotating basis, but possibly on a permanent basis in places like poland and the baltic states. so that you say to him, this far and no further. secondly, i like raising the defense budget as a signal

since vladimir putin's forces invaded ukraine and seized crimea, they battled separatists in eastern ukrainethan 10,000 people have been killed. the kremlin has steadfastly denied it has any troops inside ukraine, an absurd claim according to analysts. >> it is abundantly clear russia is undertaking major military intervention in eastern ukraine for some time. vladimir putin's objectives in ukraine are to paralyze, undermine, and ultimately destroy a ukrainian government that wants to move towards integration with the european union and with the west. >> reporter: tonight, the u.s. and its nato allies are preparing to send their own signal to putin. american b-1 bombers and b-52 strat oh fortress which can carry 70,000 pounds of bombs. analysts say it is a show of force aimed at russia which is about to conduct massive military exercises of its own. in an operation, russian troops estimated to number in tens of thousands and partners from bell rose will display fire power and territory near the borders. >> they're trying for a high end fight with the west, nato and the united states. >> repo

country has and your notion is they got technology, they stole the technology, specifically, from eastern ukraineat's the evidence? >> the enjing they are using for the longer-range missiles has an appearance that's very similar to a well-known engine family that originates in russia and ukraine, and i've talked with sources that are -- that have been to some facilities in ukraine and n the recent time, and they've seen the modifications that would have to be made from this existing engine of russian-ukrainian heritage to the one we see in the north korean missiles. and that happened rather recently, and one even bragged about having made the transformation or the remodeling of the pumping system. then you look at the performance characteristics of the engine in th north korean missiles, you get almost a precise match of capability when you combine all those, it leads me to believe that sources in either ukraine or russia allowed these engines to make their way to north korea. >> this paper is not without its critics and you and i have discussed whether the paper actually underestimates whether n

accused him of being enemies of ukraine and collaborating with terrorists for their reporting on eastern ukraine critics have this. as a witch hunt website but going back to more of this case well a lot of journalists around the world as well as human rights organizations have raised concerns over his case as well as the issue of press freedom in ukraine. to discuss this story now without him gary who is editor of the news media platform . terrorism treason what do you make of the. well it's ridiculous it's false and it's appalling but it's not surprising this ukrainian regime does all of the things but western governments tend to criticize sometimes frequently frankly without evidence in many other places let's just look at the list they have used chemical weapons on civilian populations and this has been well documented though very underreported they've banned political parties they've banned certain congregations of the russian orthodox church and illegally seized its property violating all sorts of international and european protocols this of course is a police state that aspires to be part

accused him of being enemies of ukraine and collaborating with terrorists for their reporting on eastern ukraine critics have this one narrative of rats as a witch hunt website but going back to more of this case well a lot of journalists around the world as well as human rights organizations have raised concerns over his case as well as the issue of press freedom in ukraine. the news media platform says it's outrageous that the ignoring suppression of media freedom in the country it's false and it's appalling but it's not surprising this ukrainian regime does all of the things western governments tend to criticize sometimes frequently frankly without evidence in many other places and so when we see journalists arrested for charges that are totally outlandish and void every convention of european international law it really ought to embarrass the politicians in the european union who want to drag this neal fascist regime into brussels except that they don't because they called for the bill because for getting the war crimes or getting the. crimes against journalists for getting the total lack of

decided that it is time for us to show you we will not leave anything on on sunday crimea and eastern ukraine are the two sticking points been. u.s. congress to rethink sanctions on russia the president and our congress are unified in our message to russia a better relationship the lifting of sanctions will require russia to reverse the actions that caused the sanctions to be imposed in the first place and not before lawmakers on capitol hill continue to cast aside the fact the people of crimea voted ninety five percent to rejoin the russian federation in march of two thousand and fourteen despite all this there seems to be better coordination in syria with the two superpowers to reduce the civilian casualties so we're working with the russians we bush achieved one small measure of success by establishing working in concert with jordan to create a deescalation zone as zone of ceasefire in the southwest part of syria which thus far is is holding i think the chief minot of this is civilians are not getting killed and that was our objective is to stop the massive bombing attacks and the artiller

accused him of being enemies of ukraine and collaborating with terrorists for their reporting on eastern ukraine critics have described as a witch hunt website but going back to more of this case well a lot of journalists around the world as well as human rights organizations have raised concerns over his case as well as the issue of press freedom in ukraine. a room of more details than an evil story will have to do is head to our web site all dot com hope to see you with more news will be back at the top of the hour. is an american inspired attack on north korea in every one certainly gets that impression listening to washington's warhawks is north korea a growing military threat of course it is but it is also under threat is there still time for diplomacy. you can see the border from here by the. steel fence on this side. like i said this is a this is. and this is. you have every right to be here have a right to collect my food be a part of my family on both sides of the border. started an organization called the arizona border recall we are a standalone entity. that is doing. with these to be

thousand thirty eight and we just can't let that stand and so if the russians want to get out of eastern ukraine if they want to stop killing ukrainians if they want to be part of the solution syria and deal with isis but not just try and prop up this wicked assad regime if they want to be partners i think russia would be welcome back to the civilized community of nations with open arms but they've got to make some choices and threatening to invade lithuania latvia estonia the captive nations that we remember those old postage stamps that we used to see as kids if they want to get out of that business and stop threatening their neighbors i think they can i think we're going to good relations with the russians resisting really forcefully i mean he signed this sanctions call it unconstitutional what he would do is this something where you know the signing statements are an unusual president obama did or president bush did it so i don't take a lot from the fact that he had a signing statement when he signed the russian sanctions i thought it was important he signed the sanctions for national unity

the russians took crimea, they are meddling in eastern ukraine, should there be a response from the u.srectly involving ukraine? >> again, i don't think we should go tit for tat for russia. i think it's interesting that there are so many former obama allies now arguing the united states need to get tough with russia when the whole reason we are in this mess is because the obama a administration capitulated again and again to russia. they do think the united states needs to do, conduct mind their own business, mined it hard as i've been saying and that means nuclear war games with nato, reassuring her allies, expanding missile-defense protecting our space assets. doing things that we need to do even if the russians objected that. that's what we need to do and certainly we need to especially play close attention to the baltic states. they are worried and concerned and it is because of being neglected and being undermined by the obama administration again and again. is a lot of work cut out for the obama administration. >> the pentagon confirmed today that north korea's latest intercontine

it is russia that went into the eastern ukraine and russia who violated our elections and tried to have an influence in our elections. it is russia who's threatening its neighbors. it is not the united states congress. the it is russia, and it's time for the president to acknowledge that. the he has not said one single tweet or anything in regards to russia or their coming back and saying they're going to remove individuals or want individual the from our embassy in russia to leave. >> he did say something about russia, which is. >> it was a pleasant call. >> with putin. >> nice talking. >> not so much with australia's prime minister or mexico's president. le thank you. >> interesting day. >> my pleasure. >> ousted communications director anthony scaramucci. he will hold an event tomorrow. live, on broadcast around the world. scaramucci a vision. what will he say? we send our kids out into the world, full of hope. and we don't want something like meningitis b getting in their way. meningococcal group b disease, or meningitis b, is real. bexsero is a vaccine to help prevent meningitis b

the 2014 annexation of crimea and its military activity in eastern ukraine and syria. the bill punishes iran and north korea for their ballistic missile programs and it gives congress veto power if president trump tries to ease or change the sanctions. all right. to the korean peninsula now. north korea's latest missile test posed a serious threat to aircraft. an air france spokesman says one of their planes flew just east of the icbm splashdown site last friday, just minutes before the missile hit the water. there were 332 people on board. and our alexandra field joins us now from seoul, south korea with more on this. alexandra, a real concern of course ofor any airline operating in the region. what can be done about this, given north korea has absolutely no intention of sending out any warning before launching any future missiles? >> right, rosemary. it's probably worth pointing out some of the background for our viewers. we've seen situations like this. as far as back as 2014, there was a similar situation with a chinese airliner in the area. this is a concern that

the outbreak of violence this year has been heartbreaking to watch in eastern ukraine. we are going to continue to uphold our commitment to the transatlantic relationship and the president has been clear about our commitment to nato. he has been clear about his expectations of others, and that i think appropriately so. we have a commitment to article five and that should not be a question and anyone's minds any longer. i want to acknowledge my director of policy planning has worked to give us a number of options, two important investors in the region, our ambassador in moscow dealing with a tough situation right now, but also our ambassador in the ukraine. she is doing an outstanding job working with president poroshenko to help the government in ukraine strengthen its own governing standards, continue to make progress on the anticorruption campaign and strengthen their own justice system, which we think is important to their stability going forward. i want to turn to the middle east and the destruction of radical islamic terrorism in the form of isis or daesh, but also

putin and is now armed conflict in eastern ukraine.said in trump's view, bad relations with putin. this is not even getting to adversaries who have been murdered or the russian-made missiles. to our knowledge, while president trump from don lemon to the cast of hamilton. he has never had any word about vladimir putin. the president's response was this -- >> a lot of killers. we have a americans. the u.s. laying no blame of the former kgb official. he tweeted last night, quote, and i should say clear attempt humiliating way. on facebook, maybe i'd have said this. the president is not happy about the new sanctions and he could not not sign the bill. primarily is another way to knock trump down a peg. new steps are to come, and they will ultimately aim. you know, give the kremlin credit able to exert any control the way they would like. the russians seem to have figured something out. meanwhile, revelations into the president's early interactions with u.s. allies, transcripts, published by the washington post show the president tried to p

undo the sanctions against our adversary, an adversary who proceeded to annex crimea and occupy eastern ukrainenterfere in our elections in a massive way. so congress said, we believe sanctions are necessary. a strong position has to be taken. we need a watchdog for america, not a lap dog for putin and sent the bill to him. >> when you say lap dog for putin, let me ask you this. so given your use of the word there, do you feel there was a risk that this president would try to ease those existing sanctions? is that why you supported that? >> this is exactly what democrats and republicans thought, because he has consistently said time and time again he wanted to ease sanctions with no explanation for it and it is traditional to adjust the sanctions. that's what normally done. we didn't do it in this case because on a bipartisan basis, congress did not trust the president on this issue. >> so the president's team have repeatedly said they could negotiate a tougher sanctions bill than the one he signed. i could have done a better deal. he says he could make far better deals than you all can in cong

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policy response to russia's incorporation of crimea and corporate separatists in the conflict and eastern ukraine. as the white house said from the outside, was a set of sanctions that were flexible, scalable, and reversible depending upon russia's response. specifically with regard to the fulfillment of the minsk agreement. thing i would flag is the coordination part with america's allies. the sanctioned design was really developed and coordinated as part of a multilateral package with european union's and other partners like canada. i think we certainly saw unprecedented cooperation with europe over the past three years on this front. this is predicated on the idea that the only effective sanctions would be multi-lateral ones. europe's response was largely supported and largely the sanctions organization has held together for the past three years despite what a lot of folks thought. russia's primary response to the sanctionsnistration was a series of counter sanctions of its own. basically banning food and agricultural products. in terms of the impact on russia's economy, with the benefit of 20

ukraine today and said russia had failed to abide by peace agreement meant to end the conflict in eastern ukraine. >> c-span's washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up friday morning, and author talks about his book "the impossible presidency: the rise and fall of of america's highest office." then, we talk about president trump's recent rally. we have someone from the woodrow wilson center of international scholars talking about the u.s. policy towards venezuela. be sure to watch c-span's washington journal live at 7 a.m. eastern on friday morning. join the discussion. >> now on c-span, a review of the 2018 federal budget from the money the president requested to congress, who holds the purse strings, ultimately decides. >> joining us from capitol hill is the senior congressional correspondent for bloomberg. nancy of done of

as i understand it, in eastern ukraine, the government of ukraine has troops there.and they are engaged in kinetic activity against russian-backed forces. is that correct, general selva? >> yes, sir, that's correct. along the line of contact between the donbas and the rest of the ukraine. >> would it be helpful to those ukrainian troops if they had better lethal weapons in which to defend their country and defend the government of ukraine? >> sir, that's a policy choice. the kinds of lethal defensive weapons that have been advocated for ukraine would allow them to defend themselves along the line of contact against those forces supported by the russians. >> okay, so there is a discussion among the joint staff about this, i understand, from your earlier answer. and you're working with the european command to identify what types of weapons are necessary. so when can we expect a decision about that, and how can we be helpful in exhorting our government to provide the kind of weapons that i think senator ernst and i and others are advocating? >> sir, those discussions ar

involvement, the interference of russia in our election last year and their unacceptable actions in eastern ukraine. the president is focused on his hope he can make a deal with putin. it's one reason he put rex tiller son at the state department. someone who had experience dealing with the russians. the sanctions to the president's perspective will interfere with that. my view is neither one of those positions is right. i think the president will find himself disappointed with vladimir putin and the russians as he was disappointed by the chinese over north korea. >> bill: it is a question of time before the relationship changes. >> right. i think -- i think putin follows russian national interest and across the board on everything as far as i can see our interests and aligned with russia. the president's constitutional objections should not go unnoticed. what he is saying is he is reserving the right not to have some of the restrictions that congress put in on lifting the sanctions effect him. that's standard operating procedure for presidents. so it's something that we can look forward to down th

view meanwhile a ceasefire designed to enable children to return to school has been violated in eastern ukraine and this was agreed by the warring parties on august twenty fifth that was ahead of the new academic year which starts in just two days' time the russian foreign ministry condemned the violations saying that provoke a to fire is coming from ukrainian forces cause unclear to abide by the cease fire and expressed hope that all measures will be taken to ensure peace on the ground. another news germany's foreign minister said that he would like to see american nuclear weapons removed from his country sigma gabrielle made that statement during a visit to washington where he met with his u.s. counterpart rex tillerson auntie's peter oliver as more we saw on this visit this official visit to the united states by zick mar gabriele was right at the very end he came out and he said that he would fully support what martin shultz has said in the past that u.s. nuclear weapons it's time to open dialogue about getting them off german soil of course i'm convinced that we need to finally start talkin

he's been dirty dealing in eastern europe eastern europe and ukraine and russia for a very long time.find a connection to the president, the white house has repeatedly said, trump counsel has repeatedly said there's nothing there. this raid has to do with paul manafort and his personal problems with the fbi. one thing i want to say real quickly on the bob mueller stuff, i think he's a professional and regardless of what the president is praising him privately through an attorney or berating him publicly, he's went to do his job and of the facts fall where they may. >> kennedy: we are still getting plenty of leaks out of that case and there have been trades for the recent leaks out of the white house from the former "cbs news" anchor dan rather. >> news so often is what the public needs to know that particularly someone in power doesn't want them to know. everything else is pretty much advertising and propaganda. president trump didn't want his information out, but somebody somewhere said the public needs to know this and they did a public service. >> kennedy: he was talking about the

: ukraine is a bitterly divided country, with some determined to strengthen ties with russia, others are eager to embrace the e.u. though fighting between armed factions is concentrated in the easternder region, tensions elsewhere in ukraine are still simmering, fueled by memories of past violence. three years ago, dozens of pro-russian activists were killed in the port city of odessa. the police investigation has gone nowhere, adding to the anger and resentment. reporter: center of odessa is -- the trade union building in the center of odessa is deserted. three years ago, 48 people died here, burned, suffocated, killed falling, or shot to death. vadim papura was only 17 years old when he died. his mother fatima visits her son's grave almost every sunday. "we are proud of you" is emblazoned on his tombstone. fatima hasn't been downtown since her only child died by violence. fatima papura: [speaking ukrainian] you have to understand, for me, the union building is a place charged with so much suffering, so much death, so much pain. reporter: on the evening of may 2, 2014, molotov cocktails flew into the trade union building. pro-russian demonstrators had sought refuge inside. adheren

eastern front. there are many people of georgian origin in ukraine, in the ukrainian political spectrum.orgian government. so, if you'll just talk about ethnicity, these countries are interconnected. and you're exactly right, i've got lots of enemies, but i would be very unhappy if they don't consider me theirfriend. but what we have in these countries is that oligarchs took over. and things are not as they look, because georgia is controlled by one oligarch, moldova is controlled by another, ukraine is controlled by several oligarchs, that control the entire government and more than 70% of ukraine's gdp. and then western politicians come, shake hands of, in the case of moldova and georgia, prime ministers and ministers, in the case of ukraine of ministers. and they are not in charge of the countries. so who is in charge of those countries are oligarchs. stop pretending. well, let's agree... hang on, hang on. i need to ask you some questions, or we won't get anywhere. let's agree that you have lots of enemies in ukraine. you call them oligarchs and kleptocrats. but the problem for you is